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by Rami
October 4th, 2008, 10:02 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

Re: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?

...and I suppose there is no direct connection between humanism and vegetarianism - which maybe follows on from what I said on page 1. Before I got kicked out of www.veganforum.com I responded to a poll which asked "Are you religious". About 50% of the members who responded (all were vegans) said t...
by Rami
October 4th, 2008, 9:51 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

Re: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?

If you remove all the meat providing animals from the hills, not only here, but in the lake district, Scotland, and many other places in the world, what do you use to plug that big gap in the food chain? Folk up here were self sufficient for thousands of years, before the ferries, do you think they...
by Rami
October 4th, 2008, 9:23 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Eating meat may halt onset of dementia
Replies: 16
Views: 2603

Re: Eating meat may halt onset of dementia

I agree that the article's title was misleading and betrayed a bias. Clearly the solution is not necessarily meat. The solution is increased intake of vitamin B-12. Many vegan products are fortified with B-12. In addition to that many vegans (myself included) take vegan B-12 supplements. One tiny ta...
by Rami
August 16th, 2008, 4:21 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Why are some thoughtful people vegetarian and others not?
Replies: 80
Views: 8219

Re: Why are some thoughtful people vegetarian and others not?

Ooh, I know this! Is it because they have reached differing conclusions? Perhaps. For some of them. And perhaps for some of them it is because they simply have not thought about this issue. Perhaps some of them are simply uninformed about where their food comes from. Perhaps some have been informed...
by Rami
August 15th, 2008, 11:13 am
Forum: Religion
Topic: Did Jesus exist?
Replies: 155
Views: 24796

Re: Did Jesus exist?

As far as I'm aware there was so many Jesus' around that time that no one can be sure that documentation of the time referred to the exact Jesus of Nazarath (if, indeed, there was such a man) and wasn't a culmination of them all as it was such a common name. I haven't actually researched this, rath...
by Rami
August 15th, 2008, 10:55 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Parents of ill vegan girl may face police
Replies: 32
Views: 4187

Re: Parents of ill vegan girl may face police

"Alan C."] Rami Sweet Jesus! WTF! No I'm going to get serious now. Uh-oh. Did my taking of the Lord's name in vain offend your sensibilities, Alancito? I just like saying "Sweet Jesus" because it cracks me up. You don't seriously mind, do you? Rami Hye, that's life... What about children who are br...
by Rami
August 15th, 2008, 10:35 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

Re: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?

LilacHamster Alan in many regular slaughterhouses animals are not killed without suffering, in practice there is little difference between regular slaughter and ritual slaughter because the slaughtermen rush the job and often do not stun the animals properly before cutting their throats. LilacHamst...
by Rami
August 15th, 2008, 10:25 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

Re: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?

"Alan C."] Rami Guilty as charged. I became a vegan for ethical reasons alone. I am a vegan because I believe that the vegan lifestyle is the most ethical one. I believe that the choices I make are ethically superior to the choices made by vegetarians and omnivores. Rami, that one word says it all ...
by Rami
August 15th, 2008, 8:57 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Please become a vegan
Replies: 60
Views: 19201

Re: Please become a vegan

Here in large parts (not all) of Shetland, meat is all that can be grown, would you see the people here starve? Or would you have them import food from the other side of the world? Hope Rami doesn't mind me butting in here, Well, OK. If you must. But just this once! :rolleyes: Emma, my vegan love, ...
by Rami
August 15th, 2008, 7:43 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Please become a vegan
Replies: 60
Views: 19201

Re: Please become a vegan

Rami Every person can reduce their use of animal products, even if they do not completely eliminate them. Rami, if you read this whole thread (and others on this forum) You will see that some people don't have a choice, Here in large parts (not all) of Shetland, meat is all that can be grown, would...
by Rami
August 14th, 2008, 9:15 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Omnivores or Herbavores?
Replies: 42
Views: 14254

Re: Omnivores or Herbavores?

Until recently I was a regular poster on a vegan forum. I was kicked out. I dared assert that humans are omnivores, that the human species is adapted to eating meat. The forum administrator accused me of promoting an omnivorous ideology. He was of the firm opinion that humans are natural herbavores,...
by Rami
August 14th, 2008, 8:37 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Omnivores or Herbavores?
Replies: 42
Views: 14254

Re: Omnivores or Herbavores?

"Emma Woolgatherer"]I confess that I'm inclined to answer "omnivores, of course", without hesitation. But maybe I need to think about it a bit more. Can terms like "omnivore" or "herbivore" be applied to modern human beings, whose diets are determined in a way that's so unlike any wild animal's die...
by Rami
August 13th, 2008, 10:38 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

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"I Am That I Am"]It's a pretty weird experience for me; I am so familiar with the arguments put forward by vegans because I used to dish them out myself. Now that I'm no longer vegetarian I can view these arguments and moral perspectives from a more objective angle. The vegan arguments / morality d...
by Rami
August 13th, 2008, 10:23 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

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The most famous veggie restaurant I know is called 'Cranks', and very successfully it has been too. If I were to open another, or maybe a vegan restaurant, I think I'd call it 'Nutters'. As one who continues to accept with a smile and a shrug the jocular Werewolf, Grizzly Adams, Santa, Father Chris...
by Rami
August 13th, 2008, 10:13 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

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"Nick"] I am, however, a tad concerned that humanism may become linked in the minds of the general public (whom in my experience, tend not to have thought things through) with a bunch of nutters (pun, not insult, intended) as they may see them. I don't know how to take that except as an insult, Nic...
by Rami
August 13th, 2008, 9:55 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

Re:

"Alan C."]I've said this before, but I'll repeat it here. There is no way either myself or my wife, would condone cruelty to any animal, but we do eat meat. We buy pork from Yell (an island north of us) We buy beef from Orkney and Shetland, and of course we get Shetland lamb and mutton (given by fr...
by Rami
August 13th, 2008, 9:44 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Ideological basis for humanist vegetarianism?
Replies: 143
Views: 15957

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"tubataxidriver"]Peter Singer covers the religio-social history of vegetarianism well, but states: If animals have rights, ... and much of his approach and argument is based around this issue. This is key for me, because I consider that, in the absence of an absolute moral / religious code, organis...
by Rami
August 13th, 2008, 9:10 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Please become a vegan
Replies: 60
Views: 19201

Re: Please become a vegan

I don't think it should be an all-or-nothing kind of deal. It is unlikely that the entire world will convert to veganism any time soon. So I think the discussion on whether or not veganism will work on a global scale is just moot. It's not gonna happen. But, I think, every little bit helps. Every pe...
by Rami
August 13th, 2008, 8:55 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Parents of ill vegan girl may face police
Replies: 32
Views: 4187

Re: Parents of ill vegan girl may face police

"Emma Woolgatherer"]One of the reasons I don't advocate a vegan diet for everyone, even though I've been vegan myself for over twenty years with no apparent ill effects, Sweet Jesus! Twenty years! Good for you! We must exchange recipes. is that I'm conscious that it takes quite a bit of care and ef...
by Rami
August 13th, 2008, 8:32 am
Forum: Humanist Vegetarian Group
Topic: Parents of ill vegan girl may face police
Replies: 32
Views: 4187

Re: Parents of ill vegan girl may face police

I would say this is about child abuse rather than veganism per se. It is both. This case underlines the fact that humans have evolved to be carnivorous. If adults want to deny themselves animal flesh or all animal products and accept the inherent risks, fine, but to force children to adopt such an ...