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by Emma Woolgatherer
May 29th, 2012, 12:15 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Humanism and Value
Replies: 10
Views: 3361

Re: Humanism and Value

If I may say so, your manner of expression is unnecessarily convoluted and wearisome to decipher. I'm sure it would be appreciated by many here if you can prioritise putting your ideas across simply and clearly. :) It's probably because I'm a bit convoluted and wearisome myself, but I found Kismet'...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 29th, 2012, 12:09 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: Humanism and Value
Replies: 10
Views: 3361

Re: Humanism and Value

I wish to present a beginners critique contra Humanism, specifically in its espousal of the Golden Rule. Hopefully this will be a good jumping off point for starting discussion and clear any misunderstandings at the outset. Sounds like a good idea, Kismet. First, let “humanity” describe the entire ...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 28th, 2012, 6:58 pm
Forum: Humanism, secularism, freethought...
Topic: Promoting Humanism
Replies: 52
Views: 8994

Re: Promoting Humanism

I am currently reading about the work of Christian missionaries in India. The missionaries have been converting Dalits from Hinduism to Christianity. Dalits suffer a great deal due to the caste system of Hinduism. I was wondering why there aren't any Humanist missionaries converting people to Human...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 28th, 2012, 2:26 pm
Forum: Sciences and pseudo-science
Topic: GM and the Greens
Replies: 243
Views: 27649

Re: GM and the Greens

Theo Simon of Take the Flour Back and Professor Graham Jellis of the British Crop Production Council appeared on Channel 4 News. I wasn't expecting it at all, but I thought that in this particular "debate" Simon got the better of Jellis, despite the jargon.

Emma
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 28th, 2012, 12:48 pm
Forum: Sciences and pseudo-science
Topic: GM and the Greens
Replies: 243
Views: 27649

Re: GM and the Greens

But the nub of the question is, what IS the problem with GM? Is it Frankenstein foods? Distrust of scientists? Lack of understanding of science and the scientific process? Big Agro making huge profits and controlling supply? I have a problem with GM. No, it isn't because I'm frightened of "Frankens...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 26th, 2012, 12:07 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

[quoting Wikipedia]"... However there are also universalist forms of subjectivism such as ideal observer theory (which claims that moral propositions are about what attitudes a hypothetical ideal observer would hold) and divine command theory (which claims that moral propositions are about what att...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 26th, 2012, 9:55 am
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

... I think you might like Ethics: Inventing Right and Wrong , by J.L. Mackie, published in 1977, which is the book that got me started on all this. It's quite readable, and blessedly slim. He calls himself a moral sceptic, rather than a moral relativist. The first chapter of this is available onli...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 26th, 2012, 9:38 am
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

Emma, I don't think you are [a moral relativist], and we are not that far apart, though I hate the idea of relativism. I'm not keen on relativism in the broader sense. I'm not a truth relativist. And I've undoubtedly been influenced by pejorative views of moral relativism, so I can't say I'm utterl...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 25th, 2012, 10:09 am
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

On a practical level, my equivalent of 'morals' in respect of my own behaviour has for a long time been just to not do things that would make me not like myself; I like myself quite a lot, and don't want to start thinking I'm a little shit! Hmmm. Sounds like a pared down version of Aristotelian vir...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 25th, 2012, 10:07 am
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

Damn. Why can't I delete this?
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 24th, 2012, 5:28 pm
Forum: Religion
Topic: Humanism, religion and charity
Replies: 39
Views: 5632

Re: Humanism, religion and charity

Are charities necessarily carrying out good work? Here's an article that calls that into question... http://www.stirringtroubleinternationally.com/2012/02/23/lets-question-the-motives-of-people-who-run-charities/ I think it's pretty obvious than charities aren't all necessarily carrying out good wo...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 24th, 2012, 3:41 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

I agree with a lot of this, and the word "absolute" should be banned - absolutely - from ethics :laughter: . But what you say is not what I call ethical relativism, and I am not sure that what Emma talks about is ethical relativism either - yet I think both of you have called yourselves ethical rel...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 24th, 2012, 1:19 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

what you [thundril] say is not what I call ethical relativism, and I am not sure that what Emma talks about is ethical relativism either - yet I think both of you have called yourselves ethical relativists, so I am a bit confused I don't normally call myself an ethical or moral relativist, because ...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 24th, 2012, 11:13 am
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

but surely it is not really the consistency which is at fault here but the flawed reasoning or self-delusion which allows one to decide, against reasonable evidence, that some human group is sub-human Yes, absolutely. I picked an extreme example, but flawed reasoning and self-delusion are commonpla...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 24th, 2012, 11:10 am
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

how would you deal with someone who does defend, say, honour killing by referring to various mores of his society? I'd want to understand what his or her own moral principles are, and then "deal with" him or her on that basis. I'd be looking for inconsistency, flawed argument, self-delusion, etc. E...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 24th, 2012, 11:07 am
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

well, that really a case for taking a relativistic approach. I know that you actively support at least one good cause as well as abstaining from animal products ... I should emphasise that I'm not beating myself up about this. I only mentioned my own moral inconsistency because I'd just referred to...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 23rd, 2012, 5:51 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

A fascinating subject [cognitive dissonance], but one that I feel only really means something to those who are prepared to think about it (i.e people who study philosophy/psychology.). I smoked for 33 years and did so because I liked smoking. I didn't try to pretend that I didn't know it was no goo...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 23rd, 2012, 5:42 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

it is hard to keep personalities out of this. My perception of you is of a very unusual person who has strong ethical values and acts on them (which is why I queried why you think you are inconsistent). Ah, well. That's the problem. I don't act on them. If I really acted on my strong ethical values...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 23rd, 2012, 5:14 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

Could you please give us some examples? I am trying to understand but I am failing to understand due to lack of examples. Sorry. I'm being deliberately cagey out of embarrassment. What I mean is that I don't go out of my way to stop the suffering that goes on in the world. Unlike you, and plenty of...
by Emma Woolgatherer
May 23rd, 2012, 4:57 pm
Forum: Humanist Ethics & Morality
Topic: What is right and what is wrong?
Replies: 105
Views: 18316

Re: What is right and what is wrong?

can you explain the difference between relative and arbitrary? Well, if something is described as "relative" it is usually understood that it is to be considered in relation to something else. Whereas if something is described as "arbitrary" the usual implication is that it is based on random choic...