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Homeopathy
Re: Homeopathy
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
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Re: Homeopathy
http://youtu.be/Ep3pO7X7fEQ?t=9m55s Lol Isaw this an instantly thought of you Alan, just the 15-20 seconds from 9:55 onwards :P (I nkow the link wont work, just copy paste. (NSFW)
sanctimonious
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adjectivederogatory
1.
making a show of being morally superior to other people.
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adjectivederogatory
1.
making a show of being morally superior to other people.
Re: Homeopathy
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Homeopathy
The decline of homeopathy on the NHS continues - now updated with 2013 data.
The data for 2013 were released today and the charts now include the new figures.
The downward trend of the last 17 years continues, with a further drop in the number of items prescribed of 15% from 2012 to 2013.
But the costs per item are still increasing, with inflation-busting prices rises of 40%, 13% and 11% from 2010 and a further 15% increase from 2012 to 2013, giving a doubling of the cost per item since 2009.
The data for 2013 were released today and the charts now include the new figures.
The downward trend of the last 17 years continues, with a further drop in the number of items prescribed of 15% from 2012 to 2013.
But the costs per item are still increasing, with inflation-busting prices rises of 40%, 13% and 11% from 2010 and a further 15% increase from 2012 to 2013, giving a doubling of the cost per item since 2009.
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Homeopathy
The National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) have recently completed their evaluation of the evidence for homeopathy and have published their draft report.
Their objective was:
Their objective was:
Results:…to summarise the evidence from systematic reviews regarding the effectiveness of homeopathy as a treatment for any clinical condition in humans.
After their comprehensive investigation of the evidence, they concluded:A total of 57 systematic reviews were identified that met the criteria for inclusion within this Overview Report. The relevant reviews tended to have one of three main objectives (i) to review a variety of complementary and alternative medicines (CAM), including homeopathy, for the treatment of a particular clinical condition or specific clinical area, (ii) to review homeopathy for the treatment of one clinical condition, or (iii) to review homeopathy for the treatment of a variety of clinical conditions. The reviews examined the evidence for a total of 68 clinical conditions and included seven clinical conditions for which no relevant primary studies were identified. Of the remaining 61 clinical conditions, the total number of participants included in the trial(s) was less than 150 for 36 of the clinical conditions examined. The total number of participants included in the trial(s) was between 150 and 499 for 15 clinical conditions. The evidence base for 10 clinical conditions collectively comprised 500 or more participants. There were 31 clinical conditions for which only one Level II or Level III-2 study was identified.
In other news, bears, woods, Pope, Catholic.There is a paucity of good-quality studies of sufficient size that examine the effectiveness of homeopathy as a treatment for any clinical condition in humans. The available evidence is not compelling and fails to demonstrate that homeopathy is an effective treatment for any of the reported clinical conditions in humans.
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Homeopathy
So, taking some of the words left out of your last sentence, Alan, and applying them as a description of homoeopathy:
"Is shit"
"Is shit"
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
Re: Homeopathy
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Homeopathy
From
Tim Worstall for your amusement.
Plus a few comments:
.
Tim Worstall for your amusement.
Homeopathy is no more effective than a placebo, a national medical agency has concluded in a hard-hitting report.
This proves that it works of course.Australia’s National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) analysed research into the effectiveness of alternative medicines on 68 health conditions and found ‘there is no reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective’ on any of them.
Well, think it through. The entire absence of any actual active ingredient is what is claimed makes it work. So therefore the entire absence of any evidence that it does work is proof that it does.
And therefore, of course, we should cut the NHS homeopathy budget to 1 pence and cure every disease in the Kingdom.
Plus a few comments:
Exactly how do you succuss an NHS budget figure?
If you stop taking a homeopathic cure, do you die of an overdose?
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Hi Tim,
I don’t think you have quite got the hang of Homeopathy – 1 p will be too “weak” because it has not been “successed” – remember less is more.
Let’s use homeopathic finance to finance homeopathy – here is how it would work:
1. Create a limited shares company with 100 shares and a total equity of 1p.
2. Create a second limited shares company with 100 shares and transfer the ownership of one share of company 1 to the second company.
3. Repeat 200 times.
4. Use one share certificate of the final company (plus one sugar pill) to finance homeopathy in the NHS.
5. It works using a quantum phenomenon called “share memory” – each limited company maintains a quantum memory of the finances of the previous one. It’s a quantummy thingie that works is a quantummy way – so only advanced economists understand it – you’ll just have to trust me on this one.
6. Quantum.
Is homeopathy the one where you ingest more of the toxin in an attempt to detoxify?
Just like more deficit spending will enable us to reach escape velocity?
Homeopathonomics that is.
As I like to point out, if homeopathy was ever shown to work then it would have to be immediately banned, because then we’d have no idea how it worked or what possible side-effects might be thrown up by this entirely unexplained process.
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Re: Homeopathy
One of my favourites is:
Homeopaths don't have brains; they just have skull-water with the memory of brains.
Steve
Quantum Theory: The branch of science with which people who know absolutely sod all about quantum theory can explain anything.
Quantum Theory: The branch of science with which people who know absolutely sod all about quantum theory can explain anything.
Re: Homeopathy
Well, there seems to some sort of football thing going on in S America somewhere. And one of the teams is using homeopathy to sort out its players' injuries.
I guess it must work after all.
I guess it must work after all.
Carpe diem. Savour every moment.
Re: Homeopathy
Good grief. I'm sure I've seen the homeopathy acolytes punting this.
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Homeopathy
So, what's the homeopathetic cure for a kick in the shin then?
Er, I thought "traditional medicine" was herbs and things . . . Or has "tradition" moved into the 21st C?A new study shows that the German national team places unusual trust in natural healing over traditional medicine.
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
Re: Homeopathy
Arnica, I think.Dave B wrote:So, what's the homeopathetic cure for a kick in the shin then?
Carpe diem. Savour every moment.
Re: Homeopathy
Weave it into a pressure bandage maybe?lewist wrote:Arnica, I think.Dave B wrote:So, what's the homeopathetic cure for a kick in the shin then?
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
Re: Homeopathy
Whatever the ailment, Arnica is always the answer...lewist wrote:Arnica, I think.Dave B wrote:So, what's the homeopathetic cure for a kick in the shin then?
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Homeopathy
I would have thought extracts of leather and plastic might have been more appropriate. Or should it be extracts of cotton and plaster of Paris if there is a break?Alan H wrote:Whatever the ailment, Arnica is always the answer...lewist wrote:Arnica, I think.Dave B wrote:So, what's the homeopathetic cure for a kick in the shin then?
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
Re: Homeopathy
I was going to say "what about gunshot wounds", but I've checked and I can see at least one person includes arnica in their list of remedies for gunshot wounds: http://web.archive.org/web/201101021611 ... ave-helped (via http://skeptophilia.blogspot.co.uk/2013 ... ounds.html)Alan H wrote:Whatever the ailment, Arnica is always the answer...lewist wrote:Arnica, I think.Dave B wrote:So, what's the homeopathetic cure for a kick in the shin then?
In one year 85,000 Americans were wounded by firearms, of which 38,000 die, 2,600 children. Homeopathy could have helped with ledum pelustre , aconitum napellum, arnica Montana and individualized constitutional treatments.
Re: Homeopathy
Good god. Are there no depths to which they will not plumb?
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
Re: Homeopathy
I echo your sentiments, Alan.
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
- Tetenterre
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Re: Homeopathy
Back to teh German soccer players: I bet it's not only homeopathy they use....
Steve
Quantum Theory: The branch of science with which people who know absolutely sod all about quantum theory can explain anything.
Quantum Theory: The branch of science with which people who know absolutely sod all about quantum theory can explain anything.