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Self-driving cars

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Alan H
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Self-driving cars

#1 Post by Alan H » December 21st, 2015, 10:26 am

Humans are slamming into driverless cars, exposing key flaw - by obeying the law.
Google cars have been in 17 minor crashes in 2 million miles (3.2 million kilometers) of testing and account for most of the reported accidents, according to the Michigan study. That’s partly because the company is testing mainly in California, where accidents involving driverless cars must be reported.

The most recent reported incident was Nov. 2 in Mountain View, California, Google’s headquarters, when a self-driving Google Lexus SUV attempted to turn right on a red light. It came to a full stop, activated its turn signal and began creeping slowly into the intersection to get a better look, according to a report the company posted online. Another car stopped behind it and also began rolling forward, rear-ending the SUV at 4 mph. There were no injuries and only minor damage to both vehicles.
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Re: Self-driving cars

#2 Post by Dave B » December 21st, 2015, 1:45 pm

Yes, when they form about 25% of all private vehicles and are not seen as targets! Trouble is I will not be around then - couldn't afford one anyway.

So, one might wonder what percentage their hit record was of all minor impacts over the same period. Unfair data comparison otherwise.

Any chance of a self-drive electric scooter I wonder?
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Re: Self-driving cars

#3 Post by Nick » December 21st, 2015, 5:15 pm

A somewhat slanted perspective, perhaps, but a necessary and illuminating one. Considerable consideration has been given to assessing the insurance implications of self-driving cars. As a by-product of their awareness of their surroundings, it is likely that photographic and similar evidence will be available, so blame may be more accurately attributed. The premiums will tell us, eventually!

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Re: Self-driving cars

#4 Post by Dave B » December 21st, 2015, 6:54 pm

Well, if we manage to catch up with almost all sci-fi self-drive vehicle scenarios manual driving is only allowed outside of built-up areas, auto-controlled autos being considered safer because they always obey the rules...

Also they always seem to be susceptible to their control being taken over by the authorities. Except for the hero(ine) of course, who has carried out clever modifications, even to the sealed control system!
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Re: Self-driving cars

#5 Post by Alan H » December 21st, 2015, 7:18 pm

Dave B wrote:Well, if we manage to catch up with almost all sci-fi self-drive vehicle scenarios manual driving is only allowed outside of built-up areas, auto-controlled autos being considered safer because they always obey the rules...

Also they always seem to be susceptible to their control being taken over by the authorities. Except for the hero(ine) of course, who has carried out clever modifications, even to the sealed control system!
Too late! HOW HACKABLE IS YOUR CAR? CONSULT THIS HANDY CHART
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Re: Self-driving cars

#6 Post by Dave B » December 21st, 2015, 7:55 pm

Alan H wrote:
Dave B wrote:Well, if we manage to catch up with almost all sci-fi self-drive vehicle scenarios manual driving is only allowed outside of built-up areas, auto-controlled autos being considered safer because they always obey the rules...

Also they always seem to be susceptible to their control being taken over by the authorities. Except for the hero(ine) of course, who has carried out clever modifications, even to the sealed control system!
Too late! HOW HACKABLE IS YOUR CAR? CONSULT THIS HANDY CHART
Yup, and when you buy a connected fridge you might find you have ordered a hundredweight of tiramasu icecream without remembering doing so! Only that would have been me putting my dietary sins on your food bill, " 'Course I"ll help you eat it, mate ... where are the spoons? Oh, never mind those, just give me a bucket and your biggest ladle. No, forget the ladle, I'll just dive in face first!"
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Re: Self-driving cars

#7 Post by Alan H » December 21st, 2015, 8:20 pm

Ice cream will be the least of your worries: Cracking WiFi Passwords By Hacking into Smart Kettles
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
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Re: Self-driving cars

#8 Post by Dave B » December 21st, 2015, 9:06 pm

I cannot conceive of why a kettle needs wifi!

I heard of a connected domestic CNC type sewing machine - some sense there, you could download new stitch patterns, embroidery patterns etc. etc. Just needed a lack of interest or ability in learning a real skill and oodles of money to go with it.
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