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#361 Post by coffee » April 11th, 2018, 12:17 pm

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Davis wins Brexit battle against top civil servant: Brexit News for Wednesday 11 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -11-april/

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OUT OF CONTROL EU gives a million more migrants right to settle in UK in just one year

Official figures released show the number of migrants entering the EU has risen by a fifth since the UK decided to leave the European Union


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6021498/m ... eu-soared/

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#362 Post by Alan H » April 11th, 2018, 12:42 pm

coffee wrote:OUT OF CONTROL EU gives a million more migrants right to settle in UK in just one year

Official figures released show the number of migrants entering the EU has risen by a fifth since the UK decided to leave the European Union


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6021498/m ... eu-soared/
I know Brexiters don't like to talk about it, bid you miss the bit about how we already have the power to control our own immigration, coffee?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#363 Post by Alan H » April 11th, 2018, 12:50 pm

Coffee, while you and other Brexiters worry about all those immigrants coming over here and contributing their hard-earned taxes to HMRC, what are your thoughts on the problems Brexit will bring? How will they be solved? Or, if you don't know, do you just have faith they will be resolved and everything will all be tickety-boo? Somehow or other. Honest, Nige said so... He promised...

Brexit nightmares: The red tape reality of rules-of-origin
For cross-border trade to function, goods must have an 'economic nationality'. This is the glue that makes tariffs stick. The UK urgently needs to build a rules-of-origin framework for the foundations of any future EU-UK trade deal.

It will be important to get the details right, but HMRC is already preoccupied with a new computer system to manage post-Brexit customs transactions. It can expect to be overwhelmed by a tidal wave of new work: infrastructure consultancy Oxera predicts that the volume of customs clearances to be processed will rise from 60 million a year to 300 million.

The five-fold increase in customs transactions is likely to be accompanied by a rise in the complexity of the calculations involved. And yes, there are rules-of-origin for every sector.

Rules-of-origin aren’t just an EU requirement. They’re the bedrock of trade deals put together by blocs like the EU, or major trading countries such as Canada. The UK will need to ensure that food products made with a mix of UK and EU ingredients have sufficient 'local content' to comply with these rules and qualify for any preferential tariffs.

UK food manufacturers are in for a shock. They have come to rely on easy access to a wide range of imported ingredients from all around the world. Some, like tomato paste, currently come from Europe with a zero tariff, while others are available from countries outside Europe which have preferential tariffs negotiated by the EU. The UK is desperate to remain a party to as many of these after Brexit as possible.

Before Easter, the UK’s international trade minister Liam Fox told the BBC that his department had already contacted some 70 countries about retaining access to these pre-existing EU trading agreements. He suggested that he had received up to 40 potentially positive responses, but his track record is unimpressive in either accuracy or effectiveness, so we’ll have to take this with a pinch of salt.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#364 Post by coffee » April 11th, 2018, 6:07 pm

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Brexit will not threaten the Good Friday Agreement. This is yet another piece of Project Fear propagated by disgruntled Remoaners.

The Good Friday Agreement has nothing to fear from Brexit

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ar-brexit/

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The EU fears having a fiercely competitive UK off its coast which can lure investment and enterprise away from the stagnating bloc!

The UK must set its own rules after Brexit

http://www.cityam.com/283752/uk-must-se ... ter-brexit

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The car company Ford has said the UK will remain a "fundamental part" of its operations after Brexit.

Ford boss says the car company is 'sticking with Britain' through Brexit and argues the UK is a 'fundamental part' of its operations

Jim Farley said he felt 'positive' about the direction of the Brexit negotiations

Last year Ford sold 70,000 of its Ford Focus cars in the United Kingdom

Mr Farley said Ford wanted to see ‘frictionless trade’ continue between the UK and EU after Brexit and was hopeful this could be achieved

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rexit.html

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Fear not – a flurry of inbound mergers and acquisitions is good news for post-Brexit Britain

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READ | The value of UK exports will double over the next twelve years . We very much look forward to seeing how Remainers put that down to freak circumstances

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#365 Post by coffee » April 11th, 2018, 6:31 pm

BREXIT BOOM Exports of UK goods and services soar by 10% as Britain prepares to quit the EU

The value of goods and services sold abroad has risen by £60billion

By Hugo Gye

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6029066/e ... it-the-eu/

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#366 Post by coffee » April 11th, 2018, 6:36 pm

DANIEL HANNAN Remainers don’t really care about Ireland…they just want to stop Brexit

Europhiles may be insisting that Brexit will bring with it a hard border across Ireland, but they are wrong

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6021581/r ... op-brexit/

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#367 Post by animist » April 11th, 2018, 8:31 pm

coffee, if you had a motive for starting this thread, then the fact that almost all the responses to it are from anti-Brexiteers might bother you, Or maybe not :D . Anyway, keep 'em coming. Maybe we share the theme of "maybe, noone knows". I would like to get some sort of personal response from you.

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#368 Post by animist » April 11th, 2018, 10:03 pm

coffee wrote:DANIEL HANNAN Remainers don’t really care about Ireland…they just want to stop Brexit

Europhiles may be insisting that Brexit will bring with it a hard border across Ireland, but they are wrong

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By Daniel Hannan

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6021581/r ... op-brexit/
well, the fact that the Irish (not just UK remainers) are worried about this issue should dispel the ridiculous claim that the issue is being used as a dodge against Brexit. I would be more inclined to listened to the elected representatives of the Irish people than some doctrinaire apostle of Brexit who will not have to take responsibility for being wrong. Coffee, if you are indeed some sort of humanist then you need to realise that, even if you simply a poster on an online forum, you have some responsibility for any influence you might have. If you simply post stuff which supports some gut preference you have then you are not taking responsibility for your actions. I challenge you to justify posting the bland assurance of Hannan against the detailed arguments of Ian Dunt about the genuine problem of the border: http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/03 ... y-it-won-t

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#369 Post by coffee » April 12th, 2018, 10:06 am

animist, your comments are interesting, keep them coming, but I am a brexiteer :smile:

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#370 Post by animist » April 12th, 2018, 10:27 am

coffee wrote:animist, your comments are interesting, keep them coming, but I am a brexiteer :smile:
:D

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#371 Post by coffee » April 12th, 2018, 11:24 am

UK can change mind on EU single market until 2021, says Michel Barnier: Brexit News for Thursday 12 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -12-april/

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Canada wants BETTER UK trade deal than EU pact – and talks to start DAY AFTER Brexit

THERESA May has been handed another Brexit boost after Canada’s prime minister said he wanted to start work on a better trade deal than his current one with the EU the day after Britain leaves.


By MARK CHANDLER

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... au-CETA-uk

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Post-Brexit trade deal between Canada and UK should be 'fairly easy' to strike, says Justin Trudeau

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/po ... ar-AAvNnoB

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#372 Post by Alan H » April 12th, 2018, 6:09 pm

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#373 Post by coffee » April 12th, 2018, 6:20 pm

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An investigation by Get Britain Out has uncovered there are over 4,000 EU nationals locked up in British prisons! This is at huge cost to the UK taxpayer!

'DISGRACEFUL' EU criminals in British prisons cost YOU £140MILLION

TAXPAYERS faced a bill of more than £140million to keep more than 4,000 foreign criminals from other EU countries locked up in British jails last year, figures revealed today.


By MACER HALL

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... h-taxpayer

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The boss of Germany's national bank says bankers do NOT want to Leave London!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rexit.html

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UK economy in £60BILLION export BOOST as Brexit Britain seizes ‘unprecedented opportunity’

POST-BREXIT Britain has been handed another boost after exports of UK goods and services to the rest of the world have rocketed by 10 per cent as the nation prepares to finally unshackle itself from the EU.


By REBECCA PERRING

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94503 ... trade-news

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#374 Post by animist » April 13th, 2018, 12:08 pm

coffee wrote:Get Britain Out


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An investigation by Get Britain Out has uncovered there are over 4,000 EU nationals locked up in British prisons! This is at huge cost to the UK taxpayer!

'DISGRACEFUL' EU criminals in British prisons cost YOU £140MILLION

TAXPAYERS faced a bill of more than £140million to keep more than 4,000 foreign criminals from other EU countries locked up in British jails last year, figures revealed today.


By MACER HALL

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... h-taxpayer

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The boss of Germany's national bank says bankers do NOT want to Leave London!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rexit.html

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UK economy in £60BILLION export BOOST as Brexit Britain seizes ‘unprecedented opportunity’

POST-BREXIT Britain has been handed another boost after exports of UK goods and services to the rest of the world have rocketed by 10 per cent as the nation prepares to finally unshackle itself from the EU.


By REBECCA PERRING

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94503 ... trade-news
first piece of crap - OK, let them go back to their own countries. with some money which represents a bit of the costs of keeping them here (why am I so brilliant? Only joking). Second piece of crap - if he had said that London was doomed, would this have appeared in the Daily Fail? Third piece of crap- no, this is not yet, by any stretch of the imagination, post-Brexit Britain. More lies from the shit press

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#375 Post by animist » April 13th, 2018, 12:15 pm

coffee wrote:Canada wants BETTER UK trade deal than EU pact – and talks to start DAY AFTER Brexit

THERESA May has been handed another Brexit boost after Canada’s prime minister said he wanted to start work on a better trade deal than his current one with the EU the day after Britain leaves.[/color][/size]

By MARK CHANDLER

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... au-CETA-uk

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Post-Brexit trade deal between Canada and UK should be 'fairly easy' to strike, says Justin Trudeau

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/po ... ar-AAvNnoB
yep, probably Canada DOES think it might get a better trade deal, from its own viewpoint, with Britain compared to the one with the EU. Is this good news for Britain? Hardly, and this is what bothers me. While trade deals should be good for both parties, this presupposes some situation of normality and calm informed negotiation. But Britain after Brexit will not be a normal country, it will be one striving to show that the decision to leave was right and that the mere existence of deals with other countries proves this. The fact that these deals are likely to be more favourable to these other countries compared with Britain will be ignored. At any rate, this is more mindless opium for the masses

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#376 Post by coffee » April 13th, 2018, 12:20 pm

Talks on future trade relationship to begin next week: Brexit News for Friday 13 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -13-april/

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#377 Post by Nick » April 13th, 2018, 3:49 pm

yep, probably Canada DOES think it might get a better trade deal, from its own viewpoint, with Britain compared to the one with the EU. Is this good news for Britain? Hardly, and this is what bothers me.
OTOH, I think it will be good news for Britain. Why should it be worse than the one we currently have? Surely it gives us both the opportunity to improve on it. and remember trade is not a zero-sum game, is it?

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#378 Post by coffee » April 13th, 2018, 6:34 pm

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We are repeatedly told the EU is a "rules-based organisation", yet the Commission has willfully turned a blind eye to these coercive energy practices which breach fundamental principles of EU law!

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DEVASTATING: Increase in non-UK born population in England led to a 21% increase in house prices between 1991 - 2016.

England’s population now forecast to grow by another 5.9% over the next 10 years.

Insanity.


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GERMANY: 69% increase in people from migrant backgrounds claiming benefits.

Taxpayers forking out for Merkel's migrant madness.


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It’s going to get worse:

UK’s population likely to increase by 3.6 million in next 10 years.

Will soar from 65.6 million in mid-2016 to 71.8 million by 2036.

England’s population to surge by 5.9% from mid-2016 to mid-2026.

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BELGIUM: ‘Islamic Party’ standing in local elections want ‘Islamic state’, men and women on separate buses.

They already have 2 Councillors.

Disturbing. Politicians are trying to ban the party.

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GERMANY: Children in mosque march in Turkish military uniforms and carry toy guns.

“This blatantly contradicts any attempt at integration”.

Understatement.


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#379 Post by animist » April 13th, 2018, 8:11 pm

Nick wrote:
yep, probably Canada DOES think it might get a better trade deal, from its own viewpoint, with Britain compared to the one with the EU. Is this good news for Britain? Hardly, and this is what bothers me.
OTOH, I think it will be good news for Britain. Why should it be worse than the one we currently have? Surely it gives us both the opportunity to improve on it. and remember trade is not a zero-sum game, is it?
trade may or may not be beneficial to both sides: was the trade between Africa and Europe which involved slaves crossing the Atlantic beneficial to both sides? Anyway, your logic is askew. If Britain leaves the EU then the deal already done between the EU and Canada will lapse. Any new deal which Britain manages to strike with Canada will probably be better than the situation characterised by lack of deals in which Britain finds itself, but it is unlikely to be better than the deal already struck on Britain's behalf by the EU. Give me a good reason why some new deal between a newly isolated Britain and Canada will match the existing deal

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#380 Post by Nick » April 14th, 2018, 1:44 am

animist wrote:
Nick wrote:
yep, probably Canada DOES think it might get a better trade deal, from its own viewpoint, with Britain compared to the one with the EU. Is this good news for Britain? Hardly, and this is what bothers me.
OTOH, I think it will be good news for Britain. Why should it be worse than the one we currently have? Surely it gives us both the opportunity to improve on it. and remember trade is not a zero-sum game, is it?
trade may or may not be beneficial to both sides: was the trade between Africa and Europe which involved slaves crossing the Atlantic beneficial to both sides?
Ahem!! Since when was enslaving someone a matter of trade?
Anyway, your logic is askew. If Britain leaves the EU then the deal already done between the EU and Canada will lapse. Any new deal which Britain manages to strike with Canada will probably be better than the situation characterised by lack of deals in which Britain finds itself, but it is unlikely to be better than the deal already struck on Britain's behalf by the EU. Give me a good reason why some new deal between a newly isolated Britain and Canada will match the existing deal
One extrmely good reason why a newly liberated UK will be able to strike a better deal with Canada as an independent nation than as part of the EU is that we will no longer be constrained by the trade destroying, insular, protectionist restrictions so beloved of our continental neighbours.

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#381 Post by animist » April 14th, 2018, 10:15 am

Nick wrote:
animist wrote:
Nick wrote: OTOH, I think it will be good news for Britain. Why should it be worse than the one we currently have? Surely it gives us both the opportunity to improve on it. and remember trade is not a zero-sum game, is it?
trade may or may not be beneficial to both sides: was the trade between Africa and Europe which involved slaves crossing the Atlantic beneficial to both sides?
Ahem!! Since when was enslaving someone a matter of trade?
since time immemorial, sadly. Ever watch "Gladiator" and dear old Olly Reed?
Nick wrote:
Anyway, your logic is askew. If Britain leaves the EU then the deal already done between the EU and Canada will lapse. Any new deal which Britain manages to strike with Canada will probably be better than the situation characterised by lack of deals in which Britain finds itself, but it is unlikely to be better than the deal already struck on Britain's behalf by the EU. Give me a good reason why some new deal between a newly isolated Britain and Canada will match the existing deal
One extrmely good reason why a newly liberated UK will be able to strike a better deal with Canada as an independent nation than as part of the EU is that we will no longer be constrained by the trade destroying, insular, protectionist restrictions so beloved of our continental neighbours.
back to the rhetoric. I gave you several reasons, genuine ones, why this is not likely; I could also have mentioned that Britain will be a novice in negotiating such deals. Even if the EU does have protectionist elements - which is true - how can trade deals with outsiders be construed as protectionist? Have you ordered your copy of Ian Dunt's book yet?

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