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#381 Post by animist » April 14th, 2018, 10:15 am

Latest post of the previous page:

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Nick wrote: OTOH, I think it will be good news for Britain. Why should it be worse than the one we currently have? Surely it gives us both the opportunity to improve on it. and remember trade is not a zero-sum game, is it?
trade may or may not be beneficial to both sides: was the trade between Africa and Europe which involved slaves crossing the Atlantic beneficial to both sides?
Ahem!! Since when was enslaving someone a matter of trade?
since time immemorial, sadly. Ever watch "Gladiator" and dear old Olly Reed?
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Anyway, your logic is askew. If Britain leaves the EU then the deal already done between the EU and Canada will lapse. Any new deal which Britain manages to strike with Canada will probably be better than the situation characterised by lack of deals in which Britain finds itself, but it is unlikely to be better than the deal already struck on Britain's behalf by the EU. Give me a good reason why some new deal between a newly isolated Britain and Canada will match the existing deal
One extrmely good reason why a newly liberated UK will be able to strike a better deal with Canada as an independent nation than as part of the EU is that we will no longer be constrained by the trade destroying, insular, protectionist restrictions so beloved of our continental neighbours.
back to the rhetoric. I gave you several reasons, genuine ones, why this is not likely; I could also have mentioned that Britain will be a novice in negotiating such deals. Even if the EU does have protectionist elements - which is true - how can trade deals with outsiders be construed as protectionist? Have you ordered your copy of Ian Dunt's book yet?

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#382 Post by coffee » April 14th, 2018, 11:12 am

EU set to reject Davis’s plan for Brexit negotiating groups: Brexit News for Saturday 14 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -14-april/

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#383 Post by coffee » April 14th, 2018, 5:44 pm

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GERMANY: Regional Leader of Angela Merkel’s party suggests coalition talks could be held with the anti-mass migration AFD.

Things are changing. Europe is Eurosceptic.

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#384 Post by coffee » April 15th, 2018, 1:30 pm

Give us a 'people's vote' on Brexit deal: Labour's Chuka Umunna and Tory Anna Soubry launch all-party alliance to challenge May's EU plan: Brexit News for Sunday 15 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -15-april/

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#385 Post by coffee » April 15th, 2018, 8:58 pm

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Theresa May is to pledge to put the 52 other countries in the Commonwealth at the heart of a global Britain after Brexit — the value of goods and services flowing within the Commonwealth is estimated at $687bn and likely to rise to $1tn by 2020

Theresa May to offer Commonwealth post-Brexit bonus
London hosts summit of 2.4bn ‘Anglosphere’ for first time in 20 years

https://www.ft.com/content/2fbb7964-3e3 ... il:content

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#386 Post by Alan H » April 15th, 2018, 9:55 pm

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Theresa May is to pledge to put the 52 other countries in the Commonwealth at the heart of a global Britain after Brexit — the value of goods and services flowing within the Commonwealth is estimated at $687bn and likely to rise to $1tn by 2020

Theresa May to offer Commonwealth post-Brexit bonus
London hosts summit of 2.4bn ‘Anglosphere’ for first time in 20 years

https://www.ft.com/content/2fbb7964-3e3 ... il:content
That is something like 14% growth pa. Does that sound plausible to you? And what does "goods and services flowing within the Commonwealth" mean?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#387 Post by animist » April 15th, 2018, 11:17 pm

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coffee wrote:Darren Grimes

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Theresa May is to pledge to put the 52 other countries in the Commonwealth at the heart of a global Britain after Brexit — the value of goods and services flowing within the Commonwealth is estimated at $687bn and likely to rise to $1tn by 2020

Theresa May to offer Commonwealth post-Brexit bonus
London hosts summit of 2.4bn ‘Anglosphere’ for first time in 20 years

https://www.ft.com/content/2fbb7964-3e3 ... il:content
That is something like 14% growth pa. Does that sound plausible to you? And what does "goods and services flowing within the Commonwealth" mean?
the "ft" mention seems a bit of a con trick, as this does not come from the Financial Times. Darren Grimes tweets on behalf of Brexit Central, and may have confected these figures; he has just attached his comment, following the dash, to the FT headline. Nothing should surprise us any more, and do not expect any response from coffee.

Having said this, I think this may the source of the claim: http://thecommonwealth.org/media/news/i ... 5-trillion. Trade and investment within the Commonwealth seem to be increasing, but not at the rate implied by the tweet, since the base figures in this article date from 2016, not 2018. Of course, these are simply expectations, and it does not follow that Britain, newly severing itself from its established place in what is already a free trade area (the European Union) would be able to fit into this system.

Some more about Darren Grimes. https://www.independent.co.uk/student/n ... 69601.html. And here is review of possible post-Brexit trade between Britain and Africa (the largest part of the Commonwealth): http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolic ... er-brexit/

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#388 Post by Nick » April 16th, 2018, 12:00 am

Alan H wrote:That is something like 14% growth pa. Does that sound plausible to you?
Could well be. A 14% growth in trade doesn't depend on 14% growth in output, does it? So quite plausible.
And what does "goods and services flowing within the Commonwealth" mean?
How about "international trade between Commonwealth nations"? Sounds reasonable.....

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#389 Post by animist » April 16th, 2018, 9:45 am

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Alan H wrote:That is something like 14% growth pa. Does that sound plausible to you?
Could well be. A 14% growth in trade doesn't depend on 14% growth in output, does it? So quite plausible.
yes, but see the LSE paper which I posted, especially this:

"One might therefore be forgiven for thinking that in the wake of the Brexit vote on 23 June we are about to witness a reinvigoration of UK trade links with Africa – the continent that is home to the largest number of Commonwealth members (18 out of 53). Yet, while the UK outside the EU may well look to maintain equivalence with existing European trade agreements in Africa, it is unlikely that these will be extended or reformed and the UK will lose the significant influence it once had in shaping EU trade policy towards Africa.
Contrary to the myth that the UK ‘betrayed’ the Commonwealth by joining the EU in 1973, the majority of Commonwealth countries – those located in Africa, the Caribbean and Pacific – were in fact incorporated into the EU’s system of trade preferences at this time. Under the 1975 Lomé Convention, this arrangement provided the African, Caribbean and Pacific (ACP) countries with unilateral preferential access to the EU market, a series of lucrative commodity protocols for bananas, beef, rum and sugar and development finance through the European Development Fund. The EU’s special relationship with the ACP countries served to preserve and extend the UK’s links with this group of former colonies at a time when the Commonwealth was otherwise fractious and divided.
More recently, the EU-ACP relationship has been decisively shaped by a set of controversial negotiations for free trade agreements – known as the Economic Partnership Agreements (EPAs) – initiated by the EU. These negotiations have led to a patchwork of trade arrangements across Africa, in which some countries have signed Economic Partnership Agreements while others make use of unilateral duty free access to the EU market under a scheme called ‘Everything but Arms’. This patchwork of arrangements is unsatisfactory for a number of reasons – not least its potentially disruptive implications for African regional integration. However, it is this reality – rather than any British allegiance to the Commonwealth countries – that will provide the starting point for the UK’s trade relations with Africa following Brexit."

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#390 Post by coffee » April 16th, 2018, 10:11 am

Theresa May to offer Commonwealth a post-Brexit bonus at this week’s meeting in London: Brexit News for Monday 16 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -16-april/

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#391 Post by Nick » April 16th, 2018, 12:14 pm

animist wrote:
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Alan H wrote:That is something like 14% growth pa. Does that sound plausible to you?
Could well be. A 14% growth in trade doesn't depend on 14% growth in output, does it? So quite plausible.
yes, but see the LSE paper which I posted
I don't think that any of that necessarily negates the predicted growth in trade. I can't lay my hands on it right now (not enough time) but growth in international trade was powering away right up until 2008. Now we can see the end of the crisis, it is likely that such increases will resume.

Now, it is the developing world which is growing fastest (again, insufficient time to illustrate). And, as the economy develops, a greater proportion of GDP will be represented by international trade. For example, as people become rich enough to drink whisky, or watch Man U, or eat something more exotic than rice.

So, a combination of international recovery, developing nation growth rates and increased international trade as a proportion of GDP could well account for the suggested 14% gorwth in trade, whether or not we expand trade as a result of leaving the EU.

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#392 Post by coffee » April 16th, 2018, 6:09 pm

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The Secretary-General of the Commonwealth has revealed that British trade with the other 52 Commonwealth nations could push the bloc to a huge £1trillion boom in a huge Brexit windfall in just two years time

Brexit bonanza: Commonwealth head expects £1TRILLION trade surge in just TWO YEARS

THE Secretary-General of the Commonwealth has revealed that British trade with the other 52 Commonwealth nations could push the bloc to a huge £1trillion boom in a huge Brexit windfall in just two years time.

By OLI SMITH

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94639 ... free-trade

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Employers raising wages, ‘working hard to make themselves attractive to UK nationals’

It’s official – Brexit does mean higher wages and more job opportunities for British workers.

https://www.westmonster.com/employers-r ... nationals/

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UK businesses look overseas as two in five have plans to start exporting in the next six months

http://www.cityam.com/284010/uk-busines ... lans-start

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Thousands of Brits who arrived as children decades ago threatened with deportation
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Shameful that Home Office not sure if they've deported Windrush Brits or not.

What they do know is that hundred of ISIS jihadis have been allowed back from Syria - and "are assessed as no longer being of national security concern".

Sickening.

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‘Windrush generation’ Brits being hassled by the Home Office whilst jihadi scum are allowed back into Britain.

Disgusting. Wrong. Needs to stop.

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#393 Post by coffee » April 17th, 2018, 10:52 am

UK business dismisses calls for second EU referendum: Brexit News for Tuesday 17 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -17-april/

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BOOST FOR BRITAIN Pound rises to highest level since Brexit vote in huge boost of confidence before we leave the EU

The UK has had the best performing currency this year as the British pound pushes up to $1.43 against the dollar

By Natasha Clark

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6071377/p ... ve-the-eu/

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Plot to reverse Brexit DESTROYED as UK business REJECTS calls for second referendum

REMOANER plots to overturn the vote to leave the European Union have been thwarted as it has emerged that UK businesses do not back a second Brexit referendum because of the “uncertainty” surrounding it.

By MATT DRAKE

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... pean-Union

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Brexit: Why Brussels seems relaxed about the end game

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43788080

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#394 Post by coffee » April 17th, 2018, 6:04 pm

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Channel tunnel operator’s chief optimistic on Brexit

https://www.ft.com/content/307033ca-3f3 ... 972418fec4

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- Unemployment Rate Falls to 4.2%, Lowest Since 1975
- Employment Rate Highest Since Record Began in 1971
- Public Sector Pay Up 2.5%
- Private Sector Pay Up 2.3%

https://order-order.com/2018/04/17/unem ... ince-1975/

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UK businesses do NOT want a Second Referendum!

Plot to reverse Brexit DESTROYED as UK business REJECTS calls for second referendum

REMOANER plots to overturn the vote to leave the European Union have been thwarted as it has emerged that UK businesses do not back a second Brexit referendum because of the “uncertainty” surrounding it.

By MATT DRAKE

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... pean-Union

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ONS figures today reveal:
-UK unemployment is the lowest it has been since 1975, at just 4.2%.
-There has been a real terms increase in wages.

#despitebrexit

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Channel Tunnel chief optimistic on Brexit and confident that technology can solve most of the problems the Tunnel might face

https://www.ft.com/content/307033ca-3f3 ... 972418fec4

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#395 Post by animist » April 17th, 2018, 6:15 pm

coffee wrote:Brexit: Why Brussels seems relaxed about the end game

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43788080
and the reason? It is that Britain always gives way in the end!

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#396 Post by Alan H » April 17th, 2018, 6:28 pm

coffee wrote:UK businesses do NOT want a Second Referendum!

Plot to reverse Brexit DESTROYED as UK business REJECTS calls for second referendum
I'm sure you will be glad that businesses now run our democracy...

Democratic referendum on final Brexit deal would definitely be undemocratic, claims Brexiter terrified of losing it
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#397 Post by coffee » April 17th, 2018, 7:17 pm

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RIP Project Fear:

Wages up 2.8%
Unemployment lowest for 43 years
More people in work than ever
Manufacturing orders highest since 1988
Record investment
Sterling strongest currency in the G10
Exports up 10.4%

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#398 Post by Alan H » April 17th, 2018, 8:43 pm

coffee wrote:BrexitCentral

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RIP Project Fear:

Wages up 2.8%
Unemployment lowest for 43 years
More people in work than ever
Manufacturing orders highest since 1988
Record investment
Sterling strongest currency in the G10
Exports up 10.4%
coffee...we've not left yet
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#399 Post by animist » April 18th, 2018, 10:29 am

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:BrexitCentral

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RIP Project Fear:

Wages up 2.8%
Unemployment lowest for 43 years
More people in work than ever
Manufacturing orders highest since 1988
Record investment
Sterling strongest currency in the G10
Exports up 10.4%
coffee...we've not left yet
I would have PUT THIS IN CAPITALS! One oddity about all the propaganda is that facts can be used either way. Thus, though current low employment is being used here to claim that all is well, I remember someone citing high YOUTH unemployment as a reason to leave the EU!

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#400 Post by animist » April 18th, 2018, 10:36 am

coffee wrote:BrexitCentral

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Channel Tunnel chief optimistic on Brexit and confident that technology can solve most of the problems the Tunnel might face

https://www.ft.com/content/307033ca-3f3 ... 972418fec4
another case where the text hardly justifies the headline, but even the headline is hardly reassuring - what about the problems that CANNOT be solved? The Chunnel CEO also says that the harder the Brexit, the greater the problems. Unfortunately, since he needs to maintain current investment, he can scarcely forecast disaster, can he?

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#401 Post by coffee » April 18th, 2018, 12:13 pm

Latest economic data makes a mockery of George Osborne’s Project Fear: Brexit News for Wednesday 18 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -18-april/

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