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Alan H
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#601 Post by Alan H » May 13th, 2018, 2:16 pm

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coffee wrote:May urges public to 'trust me' to deliver Brexit: Brexit News for Sunday 13 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-13-may/
:hilarity: :pointlaugh: :laughter: :pointlaugh: :hilarity: :laughter: :hilarity: :hilarity: :pointlaugh:
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#602 Post by coffee » May 13th, 2018, 8:59 pm

New Italian government set to DEFY EU - and risk BANKRUPTING Italy in the process

ITALY’S likely new government is on a collision course with Brussels after it pledged to defy the European Union by implementing radical economic policies which fly in the face of the bloc’s rules.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/95 ... pean-union

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#603 Post by coffee » May 14th, 2018, 9:47 am

May's customs partnership 'all but dead' after Gove joins Boris in savaging proposal: Brexit News for Monday 14 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-14-may/

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#604 Post by Alan H » May 14th, 2018, 10:35 am

coffee wrote:May's customs partnership 'all but dead' after Gove joins Boris in savaging proposal: Brexit News for Monday 14 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-14-may/
:hilarity: :laughter: :pointlaugh:
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#605 Post by animist » May 14th, 2018, 12:58 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:May's customs partnership 'all but dead' after Gove joins Boris in savaging proposal: Brexit News for Monday 14 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-14-may/
:hilarity: :laughter: :pointlaugh:
it is hard to know how to react to the news that one silly Tory Brexit faction has rubbished the silly ideas of another. Look everyone, we are leaving the EU in ten months, and at least the Labour Party has belatedly committed itself to a customs union arrangement with the EU which will replicate the existing one

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#606 Post by Alan H » May 14th, 2018, 1:37 pm

animist wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:May's customs partnership 'all but dead' after Gove joins Boris in savaging proposal: Brexit News for Monday 14 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-14-may/
:hilarity: :laughter: :pointlaugh:
it is hard to know how to react to the news that one silly Tory Brexit faction has rubbished the silly ideas of another. Look everyone, we are leaving the EU in ten months, and at least the Labour Party has belatedly committed itself to a customs union arrangement with the EU which will replicate the existing one
If these weren't the idiots that are in power and supposedly running the country on our behalf, it'd make a great comedy sketch.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#607 Post by coffee » May 14th, 2018, 6:18 pm

Turkey makes bid to IMPROVE trade post-Brexit as Erdogan makes CONTROVERSIAL tour

TURKISH president Recep Tayyip Erdogan will make a bid to improve trade relations with Britain after Brexit as he continues his controversial three-day visit to the UK amid ongoing controversy.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/95927 ... e-EU-trade

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Norway urges the UK to join in the EEA for ‘bargaining power’ after Brexit

NORWAY’s Prime Minister has urged the UK to join the European Economic Area (EEA) after Brexit, claiming there are “cost and benefits” that will give Oslo and London “bargaining power”
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... gle-market

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#608 Post by Alan H » May 14th, 2018, 6:34 pm

coffee wrote:Turkey makes bid to IMPROVE trade post-Brexit as Erdogan makes CONTROVERSIAL tour

TURKISH president Recep Tayyip Erdogan will make a bid to improve trade relations with Britain after Brexit as he continues his controversial three-day visit to the UK amid ongoing controversy.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/95927 ... e-EU-trade
As a third country, it looks like we can't be too choosy who we make trade deals with...
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#609 Post by Nick » May 14th, 2018, 6:52 pm

animist wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:May's customs partnership 'all but dead' after Gove joins Boris in savaging proposal: Brexit News for Monday 14 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-14-may/
:hilarity: :laughter: :pointlaugh:
it is hard to know how to react to the news that one silly Tory Brexit faction has rubbished the silly ideas of another. Look everyone, we are leaving the EU in ten months, and at least the Labour Party has belatedly committed itself to a customs union arrangement with the EU which will replicate the existing one
Only 3 things wrong with that:

1) Such a customs union would mean we wouldn't be able to conclude trade deals with anyone else, thus making it worse than being in the EU, as we would be unable to influence EU policy (not that has been exactly a strength...)

2) 1) Any Customs Union other than "The" Customs Union isn't available, nor will it be from the EU.

3) Corbyn would be in charge of negotiations.

Still think that's a good idea....? :sad:

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#610 Post by animist » May 15th, 2018, 7:54 am

Nick wrote:
animist wrote:
Alan H wrote: :hilarity: :laughter: :pointlaugh:
it is hard to know how to react to the news that one silly Tory Brexit faction has rubbished the silly ideas of another. Look everyone, we are leaving the EU in ten months, and at least the Labour Party has belatedly committed itself to a customs union arrangement with the EU which will replicate the existing one
Only 3 things wrong with that:

1) Such a customs union would mean we wouldn't be able to conclude trade deals with anyone else, thus making it worse than being in the EU, as we would be unable to influence EU policy (not that has been exactly a strength...)

2) 1) Any Customs Union other than "The" Customs Union isn't available, nor will it be from the EU.

3) Corbyn would be in charge of negotiations.

Still think that's a good idea....? :sad:
ok Nick, on your point 1, I don't remember much discussion between us on this aspect of Brexit, so where is your evidence that all these new overseas trade deals are just round the corner? Point 2 - the EU, as you correctly said the other day, have already ruled the silly Tory ideas our of court, but how could you possible know that some version of the present arrangements could not be devised if there were the will on both sides? As you know, Turkey has its own customs arrangements with the EU without being a member. Point 3 barely deserves comment, but I doubt that JC would be personally in control - much more likely to be Keir Starmer

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#611 Post by coffee » May 15th, 2018, 10:13 am

Norway-style Brexit now 'dead' after Corbyn tells Labour MPs he won't back EEA: Brexit News for Tuesday 15 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-15-may/

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#612 Post by Nick » May 15th, 2018, 3:18 pm

animist wrote:
Nick wrote:Only 3 things wrong with that:

1) Such a customs union would mean we wouldn't be able to conclude trade deals with anyone else, thus making it worse than being in the EU, as we would be unable to influence EU policy (not that has been exactly a strength...)

2) 1) Any Customs Union other than "The" Customs Union isn't available, nor will it be from the EU.

3) Corbyn would be in charge of negotiations.

Still think that's a good idea....? :sad:
ok Nick, on your point 1, I don't remember much discussion between us on this aspect of Brexit, so where is your evidence that all these new overseas trade deals are just round the corner?
Always difficult to provide firm evidence of anything which, by definition, is still in the future. But I think we can be sure of several things.

1) That the UK is a trading nation, and has been for centuries and would be very keen to enter such trade deals. Other countries have already expressed an interest, wishing to expand their economies too. Any why wouldn't they want to? Where is your evidence that they won't want to? (Touche!)

And to some extent, we can undertake some "trade deals" unilaterally- by cutting tariffs and removing unnecessary restrictions.
Point 2 - the EU, as you correctly said the other day, have already ruled the silly Tory ideas our of court, but how could you possible know that some version of the present arrangements could not be devised if there were the will on both sides? As you know, Turkey has its own customs arrangements with the EU without being a member.
Ahem! Being in "a " customs union is not "a silly Tory idea" (though there are some of those!) it is Labour's only idea! Which as you agree, has already been ruled out by the EU. What then is their alternative? They don't have one!

And I am somewhat amused that you think that the EU has any goodwill at all! Indeed you seemed rather proud of the fact that it didn't, reasoning it didn't need to, as it was the UK that was leaving the EU, not the other way round. As you seem to be in the mood for evidence, Can you share any to support your new supposition that the EU will be showing any goodwill to the UK any time soon? "Now" would be nice, but, you know, they'd rather made sarcastic references to ticking clocks.

Turkey was a candidate country (not sure it is now!) so maybe some enticement was deemed pragmatic. The deal Turkey has got is extremely limited, so not exactly a shining beacon of hope! And maybe even that was only because the EU wanted something from Turkey over the refugee crisis.
Point 3 barely deserves comment, but I doubt that JC would be personally in control - much more likely to be Keir Starmer
Not personally, but he would be PM. And given his track record, I don't think he's exactly the right candidate for dealing with the EU, is he? Even if Starmer is heavily involved, he's not the Prime Minister, is he? He won't make it to the group photograph, will he? Point 3 could be the most important point of all! :supershock:

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#613 Post by coffee » May 15th, 2018, 4:57 pm

EU lectures Italy, Lega’s Salvini calls it ‘another interference from unelected’

https://www.westmonster.com/eu-lectures ... unelected/

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#614 Post by coffee » May 15th, 2018, 6:27 pm

UK minister says Brexit deal must avoid new supply chain frictions

https://www.reuters.com/article/britain ... SL9N1NK03G

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#615 Post by Alan H » May 15th, 2018, 6:57 pm

coffee wrote:UK minister says Brexit deal must avoid new supply chain frictions

https://www.reuters.com/article/britain ... SL9N1NK03G
Britain’s business minister said the government understands the importance of avoiding friction in the automotive supply chain after Brexit, as ministers try to overcome differences as to what customs relationships Britain should have with the EU.

Britain's Secretary of State for Business, Greg Clark arrives for a Brexit subcommittee meeting at Downing Street in London, Britain, May 2, 2018. REUTERS/Hannah McKay
“I know… just how crucial it is that in the agreement that we reach with the European Union, that it respects the ability to continue those flourishing supply chain relationships by avoiding introducing new frictions,” Greg Clark said on Tuesday.

Prime Minister Theresa May is trying to overcome deep divisions in her cabinet over the nature of Britain’s divorce with the EU and find agreement on a customs proposal to take to Brexit talks in Brussels.

Asked about when ministers would decide, Clark said: “There’s a sub-committee of the cabinet that is looking at these things. There’s been no requirement to agree by tomorrow night or something like that. The work is going on.”
Strong and stable... providing the certainly businesses need...

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Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#616 Post by coffee » May 16th, 2018, 12:09 pm

Brexit Britain booming as a record number of Britons now in work and more foreigners have jobs than before the referendum: Brexit News for Wednesday 16 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-16-may/

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#617 Post by coffee » May 16th, 2018, 5:26 pm

EU budget CRISIS: Members threaten REBELLION over bloc's post-Brexit finance plans

SWEDEN has become the latest European Union member to reject the bloc’s first post-Brexit budget, declaring Stockholm wouldn’t back an increase in membership fees to plug the blackhole left by Britain’s departure.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/95 ... ary-Sweden

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#618 Post by coffee » May 16th, 2018, 5:48 pm

ITALY: Leaked Five Star/Lega plan includes mechanism to exit Euro.

Euroscepticism is rising!


https://www.westmonster.com/five-star-l ... exit-euro/


https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 2265366528


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Huge surge in number of migrants arriving in Greece via Turkey

https://www.westmonster.com/huge-surge- ... ia-turkey/

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#619 Post by coffee » May 16th, 2018, 7:45 pm

Project Fear DEBUNKED: University boss admits Brexit claim was 'plucked out of the air'

A UNIVERSITY boss has admitted that he made up a claim that British universities would plummet in the world rankings because of Brexit.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ael-arthur

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#620 Post by Nick » May 17th, 2018, 8:37 am

coffee wrote:ITALY: Leaked Five Star/Lega plan includes mechanism to exit Euro.

Euroscepticism is rising!


https://www.westmonster.com/five-star-l ... exit-euro/


https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 2265366528
The on-line odds of Italy leaving the EU have shortened....

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#621 Post by animist » May 17th, 2018, 9:15 am

Nick wrote:
coffee wrote:ITALY: Leaked Five Star/Lega plan includes mechanism to exit Euro.

Euroscepticism is rising!


https://www.westmonster.com/five-star-l ... exit-euro/


https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 2265366528
The on-line odds of Italy leaving the EU have shortened....
the plans by this party seem to be to leave the euro, not the EU - which it wants reformed

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