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#1501 Post by coffee » February 7th, 2019, 8:42 am

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Toyota has begun production of its all-new Corolla hatchback and estate range at the firm's UK manufacturing facility in Derbyshire.

@ToyotaFactory is #NoDealReady


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Donald Tusk's claims of a 'special place in hell' for 'no plan' Brexiteers prompts British fury: Brexit News for Thursday 7 February

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#1502 Post by Alan H » February 7th, 2019, 10:40 am

coffee wrote:Donald Tusk's claims of a 'special place in hell' for 'no plan' Brexiteers prompts British fury:
Tusk is right, isn't he, coffee?
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1503 Post by Alan H » February 7th, 2019, 10:58 am

The disgraced former defence secretary, Liam Fox, has spiffing plans for the Irish border problems: This Leaked Report Reveals The “Technological Solutions” Explored By Liam Fox To Keep The Border In Ireland Open After Brexit
We just need to persuade smugglers to carry RFID at all times and not cover their faces. Foolproof.

It'll be easy. After all, where on earth would anyone there ever find a balaclava?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1504 Post by coffee » February 7th, 2019, 4:24 pm

Even with the entire political elite batting for Brussels, 40% of French voters want to leave the EU and Macron's poll lead over Marine Le Pen has collapsed by twenty points. French voters are sick of being ignored by their political class!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 9885979648

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WATCH: "If like me you voted for Brexit, you probably know by now that you're a stupid, ignorant, xenophobic, racist, bigoted moron who shouldn't be allowed to vote at all - you can read all about it in the Guardian." Brilliant rant!

Catch the whole vid: http://y2u.be/R9T4dGAxtO0

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WATCH | Anti-Brexit nutter jumps in front of the Prime Minister's motorcade as she arrives in Brussels. Brexit Derangement Syndrome is real, folks... these people need help!

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Former head of the British Chambers of Commerce, John Longworth says it isn't Brexit Britain who is in hell, "it is those poor, innocent souls trapped and tangled in debt-ridden Italy, mired amongst the unemployed of Greece and Spain."

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Business leader @LanceForman supports a World Trade Brexit.

His salmon company exports all around the world, leaving on WTO rules will not be a problem for him.

Save £39bn and walk away from the Brussels bullies @ http://leavemeasnleave.eu/take-action

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Oh no! Project Fear-monger Mark Carney and the Bank of England reduce UK growth forecast to 1.2%. Yet the Eurozone growth forecast is itself only 1.3% #GetAGrip

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#1505 Post by Alan H » February 7th, 2019, 7:24 pm

We interrupt this Brexit propaganda for reality:
Jeremy Corbyn has set his out five demands for supporting Theresa May’s deal. Something like this needed to happen at some point and it should be welcomed that Labour is finally put a specific set of Brexit policies on paper.

What's needed now is for this - and any other alternative Brexit proposal - to be given the same level of scrutiny that led Parliament to reject the government’s deal last month. Corbyn’s proposal will almost certainly fail this test. The government is unlikely to back it, both Brexiters and patriotic pro-Europeans will balk at the level of rule-taking without a say, and there are a number of “cake and eat it” elements the EU will disagree with.

Once this gambit is dispensed with, Labour can move onto the next stage of the Brexit policy agree last year at party conference. That is, if Labour couldn't get a general election, it should explore other options including a new public vote. A rejection of the “five demands” would mean Labour can fulfil the wishes of the overwhelming majority of its voters and members by campaigning to give the public the final say.

So what are Corbyn’s demands? They would see the UK: inside a customs union with a say in future trade deals, aligned with the single market “underpinned by shared institutions”, signing up to “dynamic alignment” on rights and protections, commitments to participate in EU agencies, and to continue to cooperate on security policy.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=blD924-a5ASkxKP9IyZ4UKi3RmPzL8iKFzZjpRtiTLc&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=7_feb_2019&n=6

This opens up a whole series of questions. Could Corbyn's proposal really be negotiated before the UK has left the EU to avoid the need for a backstop? The Labour leader wants to see his demands introduced as part of a revision to the political declaration, not the withdrawal agreement, so he probably intends to keep the backstop.

What would be the UK’s actual relationship to the single market? Again, by putting all this in the political declaration - a document with about the same heft as a strongly worded press release - it remains deeply unclear what the final relationship would be.

Would the EU really allow the UK any meaningful say over its trade policy? That seems like something the EU is unlikely to ever put on the table.

These five demands won’t settle anything, but that’s probably a good thing for Labour in the long run. The leadership can say they tried to make Brexit work, and finally move on. That would be in keeping with the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Labour’s members and potential voters. New research by the TSSA trade union showed Labour would get a lower share of the vote in every seat if it were seen to have a pro-Brexit policy rather than an anti-Brexit position.

Corbyn’s five demands need a public hearing. But when they fail, it’s time to quickly move on to what the majority of Labour members want - their party to back a People’s Vote.
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“No number of tweaks to the political declaration pretending we can have our cake and eat it can change the reality that any Brexit deal means leaving the EU without clarity or certainty about where we will end up.”

Labour’s Phil Wilson MP on Jeremy Corbyn’s five demands to the government.
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WATCH: David Davis made yet another Brexit promise, saying negotiating a trade deal with the EU will be 'faster' than in the past two years. Meanwhile, the clock is ticking down to exit day…

Nobody can keep the undeliverable promises made for Brexit.

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Undiplomatic diplomacy

European Council president Donald Tusk believes there is a “special place in hell… for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely”. Not terribly diplomatic words, and a predictable backlash from eurosceptic MPs has ensued.

It does suggest a harder line might be taken with Theresa May when she visits Brussels today to try and get the “alternative arrangements” to the backstop demanded by Tory Brexiters. And Tusk’s words do show that the EU has got the Brexiter’s number: not only did they have no plan in 2016, they have no plan today.
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With fifty days to go OFOC founder Femi explains what it means to take back control.

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End the uncertainty

With Britain staggering ever closer to the no-deal cliff edge, uncertainty over Brexit is weighing down on the housing sector. New homes built in London and the Midlands last year fell 10%, house price growth is at its lowest for six years, and investors withdrew £315 million from property funds in the last month of last year. The Financial Conduct Authority is now demanding daily updates from funds amid concerns about a potential liquidity crunch.

The only economic quick fix is to resolve the uncertainty about Brexit - and to do so in a way that doesn’t damage the economy. May’s deal does neither of these things: it punts the big decisions down the road, and damages our links to the European economy. The only surefire remedy is to stay in the EU.

It's clear that the only way forward is a People's Vote. Now is a crucial time to get involved with the campaign. Sign up to volunteer today.https://www.peoples-vote.uk/volunteerhttps://www.peoples-vote.uk/volunteer?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=7_feb_2019&n=20
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May departs Northern Ireland no closer to backstop deal(Guardian)

A car crash waiting to happen? What German business really thinks about the Brexit negotiation (Telegraph)

Brexit risk for UK aid as Swiss cut off from EU funding (BBC)

UK set to delay key Brexit laws until after departure (FT £)
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Danny Dyer explains why he thinks it’s time for a People’s Vote: "I realised it was a massive mistake because I was lied to. It can't be done this thing that you've put to us."

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Luke Lythgoe: Don’t despair, Donald! People’s Vote is alive and kicking (InFacts)

Editorial: Bank of England must grapple with the risks of a no-deal Brexit (FT £)
What's your reason?


WATCH: Hannah Graham is a youth worker and FFS supporter from Scunthorpe. She thinks a People’s Vote is the only way out of this mess.

She’s right - and brexit will hit young people the hardest, for the longest.

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Today, Thursday 7th February
- 50 days until Brexit day
- Theresa May visiting Brussels

Tomorrow, Friday 8th February
- Gareth Thomas private members bill on Brexit public vote
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1506 Post by Alan H » February 7th, 2019, 9:39 pm

Ah. Seaborne Freight. Remember the ferry company that Chris Grayling was hoping would solve all the Brexit port problems? You know, the ferry company that didn;t actually have any ferries. That's not a problem now: they don't seem to have a port to sail from even if they did: Council budget cuts in Ramsgate could disrupt Seaborne Freight’s no-deal Brexit plans to run ferries to Belgium
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1507 Post by coffee » February 8th, 2019, 11:14 am

Brexit talks to restart after Theresa May visits Brussels in last-ditch bid to break deadlock: Brexit News for Friday 8 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1508 Post by Alan H » February 8th, 2019, 11:25 am

Great new! The Brexit Bonus Bonanza finally announced: more jobs for car par attendants and portaloo manufacturers: Work to begin turning M20 into a car park ahead of Brexit
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1509 Post by Alan H » February 8th, 2019, 11:31 am

coffee wrote:Brexit talks to restart after Theresa May visits Brussels in last-ditch bid to break deadlock
Does it feel comforting in some way or other to only read half of the news, coffee? Presumably the half that fits your preconceptions and biases? Save thinking, I suppose.
But the EU again refused to reopen the withdrawal agreement and its controversial backstop – with any negotiations expected to focus on the future relationship between the UK and EU instead.
That'll be because they have already concluded and agreed a deal with the UK. The deadlock is the one May created for herself: in her government.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1510 Post by Alan H » February 8th, 2019, 11:56 am

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1511 Post by Alan H » February 8th, 2019, 1:30 pm

Read this, coffee, and at least try to understand it. Ian Dunt's Friday summary:
Get past all the noise and the opinions and the news stories and the bilateral meetings and the foreign visits and the speeches and the articles and what do you have? What is the actual proposition that Theresa May is taking to Brussels over the backstop? Nothing. It it does not exist. It's an absence where a news story should be.

The prime minister met with her Irish counterpart Leo Varadkar today. She sat down with European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker and European Council boss Donald Tusk yesterday. She delivered a speech in Belfast the day before that. But what was it all about? Nothing at all.

May said she needed a change to the backstop. She officially supported a policy of "alternative arrangements". But which specific alternative arrangement was she proposing? She would not say. So what did she actually want? It was not clear.

Her Belfast speech promised that she would prevent "any physical infrastructure" on the border. That means that the inane and pathetic Malthouse Compromise, as we all apparently have to call it, is dead in the water, given that it is just warmed-up max-fac and therefore entirely reliant, in any variant, on some infrastructure. But once the speech was over, Downing Street continued to have Brexit secretary Steve Barclay work with deluded Conservative backbenchers on the Malthouse ideas, with civil service support, for no discernible reason whatsoever. This is what the government is now. A prime minister ruling out the things she has tasked her own ministers with achieving.

The ERG or DUP will accept only two things: A time-limit mechanism on the backstop or a unilateral exit provision. They will not get them. They will not even be able to open up the withdrawal agreement to try to get them. At most they will be offered a legal guarantee of a comprehensive review years after the backstop comes into operation. And that won't be enough to get it through the Commons.

So it's not tech solutions and it's not a time limit and it's not unilateral extension. And after that May simply runs out of plans. She has not a word to say. Nothing to contribute at all. Her pitiful request this week was to get to the EU to agree to the principle of changes to the backstop, without being able to specify what those changes might be.

It is like calling up your spouse and asking them to agree to the principle of you doing an action without specifying what it is. Maybe it involves buying a coffee. Maybe it involves a drug-fuelled satanic sex ritual. Who knows? But just go ahead and sign off on the principle and we'll take it from there.

It is hard to fully describe the contempt felt towards May in Brussels right now. Just imagine sitting across a table from someone for two years and having them tell you that this is the plan they need, this is the plan they can get through the Commons, and then watch them delay a vote on it, lose catastrophically, whip their own MPs to vote against it, and then come back, cap in hand, asking for you to change the thing that they themselves proposed you must do. The shame of it. The sheer inadequacy.

This is humiliation on a historic scale. It is the single most incompetent act of British diplomacy we've witnessed in our lifetime. That's not hyperbole. That is a simple statement of fact. Quite apart from the core-function national downgrade which May is pursuing, her manner of going about it is so shambolic and disingenuous that our reputation as a serious country may never recover.

But instead of being outraged at those who have put us in this situation, the media and many MPs spent most of the week attacking Tusk for having the temerity of mentioning it out loud. He had committed the crime of speaking evocatively while European. This is obviously not allowed. Only the Boris Johnsons of the world are allowed to do this, like when he compared the EU with "Hitler", or the Nigel Farages, like when he compared it to the "Soviet Communists", who, incidentally, Tusk fought against as a young man.

So the Council president was systematically and vigorously misrepresented across media outlets for approximately 24 hours. Commons leader Andrea Leadsom said the comments were "disgraceful" and "spiteful". DUP Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson called him a "devilish Euro maniac". Single market supporter Nick Boles said he had "encapsulated perfectly why I do not believe the UK can remain a member of the EU." Remain-voting Tory Tobias Ellwood said "democracy does not always yield perfect outcomes but they should be respected." Labour Brexiter Kate Hoey said it "sums up in one sentence why we cannot wait to get out of this deeply anti democratic institution". DUP leader Arlene Foster said it was a "disrespectful statement about the 17.4m of us who voted to leave".

What did Tusk actually say? That a "special place in hell" would be reserved for "those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely".

He did not criticise Leave voters. He did not attack Britain. He did not try to 'undermine' the Brexit vote. He criticised precisely those who put the country in the situation it now finds itself in. And then, with grim and wearing predictability, the people he criticised misrepresented him and stoked the same tribal outrage they used to secure the result in the first place.

They don't even have the honour to take the comments at face value. No Brexit argument can ever be addressed on its own terms, because the facts are so demonstrable. So instead they have to feign outrage, wilfully misrepresent their opponent, and whip up tribal hatred. Because, at its heart, that's all this project ever was: the imagined grievances of the perpetually insecure. Anytime the adults want to come back and take charge, they would be very welcome.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1512 Post by coffee » February 8th, 2019, 4:37 pm

GERMANY: Factory orders decline, 2019 growth slashed, investor morale lowest since 2012.

“The German economy is drifting towards recession right now.”

https://www.westmonster.com/german-fact ... ecession1/

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CEO of Heathrow Airport confirms planes will fly even in ‘worst-case’ Brexit scenario as ‘real pragmatism’ has emerged.

Will the idiots who tried to scare people about planes being grounded now be held to account? 2016 all over again.

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 2629647360

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SCREWED: Unprepared EU countries increasingly nervous of No Deal Brexit.

“Likely that increasingly anguished cries from business executives will reach the political leaders’ ears.”

https://www.westmonster.com/unprepared- ... al-brexit/

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 0102603776

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"Almost certainly slid into recession in 2018"
Factory orders down 7%
Growth forecast slashed in half for 2019;
Deutsche Bank brands economy "major disappointment"

The last thing Germany needs is no-deal!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 5125038080

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No Deal nerves across EU:

Irish Exporters Association: “We are, to put it bluntly, screwed.”

Dutch Chamber of Commerce: 58% of companies who trade with UK aren’t ready for No Deal.

Belgian gov: 80% of companies aren’t ready.

https://www.westmonster.com/unprepared- ... al-brexit/

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London beats all European competition as top destination for global tech talent.

Apple to open new HQ in 2020. Google’s new HQ to house upto 4,500 staff.

Brexodus?

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 0077962241

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The populist anti-EU Italian government is really getting under the skin of Brussels lapdog Emmanuel Macron, who has now recalled his envoy to Rome. The French president is an absolute mess - and his own people hate his guts!

Support us at http://leave.eu/get-involved

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REVOLUTION: 40% of French voters back leaving the European Union.

Brexit is just the start.

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Just a further thought on this. Heaven has barriers & strict entry requirements. Hell has no borders & all are welcome. Which looks more like Hell: a country governing itself, or the EU? Answers in a postcard to Mr Tusk.

https://twitter.com/GerardBattenMEP/sta ... 1286953985

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Great to see the UK and EFTA nations agree to secure citizens' rights, deal or no deal.

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 6896924672

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German MEP Werner Kuhn admits a no-deal Brexit will have a "bitter impact" on German coastal communities as they would lose access to British fishing grounds and says this "must be prevented".

The cracks are showing. No fishing waters and no £39bn if no deal - sounds good to us!

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Project Fear lies about a "Brexodus" could not be further from the truth. London is the top destination for tech talent, crushing European competition while Google and Apple plan new HQs in our capital. Remoaner media won't tell you that!

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#1513 Post by Alan H » February 8th, 2019, 5:30 pm

Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1514 Post by animist » February 8th, 2019, 11:04 pm

coffee wrote: =================================

No Deal nerves across EU:

Irish Exporters Association: “We are, to put it bluntly, screwed.”

Dutch Chamber of Commerce: 58% of companies who trade with UK aren’t ready for No Deal.

Belgian gov: 80% of companies aren’t ready.

https://www.westmonster.com/unprepared- ... al-brexit/

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 9790031872

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now this is strange - not that there are fears of No-Deal in the EU but that Brexiters take this as a victory. Not long ago these Brexiters were using the claim of the Calais port authority that it was quite prepared for Brexit as a support for No-Deal working well. So the EU is both prepared and not prepared, right

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#1515 Post by Alan H » February 9th, 2019, 12:14 am

animist wrote:now this is strange - not that there are fears of No-Deal in the EU but that Brexiters take this as a victory. Not long ago these Brexiters were using the claim of the Calais port authority that it was quite prepared for Brexit as a support for No-Deal working well. So the EU is both prepared and not prepared, right
You're assuming Brexiteers are concerned about cognitive dissonance. I suspect they are as concerned about that as they are about reality and facts.
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1516 Post by coffee » February 9th, 2019, 8:36 am

@Nigel_Farage

The Electoral Commission have officially recognised The Brexit Party.

It will fight the European elections if Article 50 is extended.

I sincerely hope that this prospect is recognised by both the Conservative Party and the Labour Party as a threat.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 8225584129

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#1517 Post by coffee » February 9th, 2019, 9:02 am

May warned by Tories backstop must be removed not just tweaked: Brexit News for Saturday 9 February

Today's news

- PM warned backstop must be removed entirely
- Corbyn and McDonnell don't rule out second referendum
- French firms panic at ‘nightmare scenario' of no deal
- May warned of local election wipe-out if Brexit is delayed

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1518 Post by Alan H » February 9th, 2019, 10:38 am

coffee wrote:@Nigel_Farage

The Electoral Commission have officially recognised The Brexit Party.

It will fight the European elections if Article 50 is extended.

I sincerely hope that this prospect is recognised by both the Conservative Party and the Labour Party as a threat.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 8225584129

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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1519 Post by Alan H » February 9th, 2019, 10:42 am

coffee wrote:May warned by Tories backstop must be removed not just tweaked: Brexit News for Saturday 9 February

Today's news

- PM warned backstop must be removed entirely
- Corbyn and McDonnell don't rule out second referendum
- French firms panic at ‘nightmare scenario' of no deal
- May warned of local election wipe-out if Brexit is delayed

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/
And the Tories still can't make their little minds up what they want... Meanwhile, we are all made to suffer the consequences.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1520 Post by Alan H » February 9th, 2019, 11:27 am

Alan H wrote:Ah. Seaborne Freight. Remember the ferry company that Chris Grayling was hoping would solve all the Brexit port problems? You know, the ferry company that didn;t actually have any ferries. That's not a problem now: they don't seem to have a port to sail from even if they did: Council budget cuts in Ramsgate could disrupt Seaborne Freight’s no-deal Brexit plans to run ferries to Belgium
You may remember the ferry company that got Chris Greyling's contract for ferries even though it didn't have any ferries (or port). Now they don't even have a contract: Government cancels Brexit ferry contract with no-ship firm

The Brexit farce continues.

As David Schneider said on Twitter:
Types of failure, in ascending order:
Error
Cock-up
Fuck-up
Calamity
Shit-show
Omnishambles
Catastrofuck
Fyre Festival
Theresa May
Brexit
Chris Grayling
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1521 Post by coffee » February 9th, 2019, 4:04 pm

The MSM likes to demonise Brexiteers but Labour MP John Mann reveals he has suffered death threats and threats of sexual violence against his wife and daughter for representing his 70% Leave constituency and backing Brexit.

A principled, proper Labour MP. Stand firm, John!

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 2287010817

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WATCH | This is what's going on in Paris today as #GiletsJaunes burn EU flags and hold banners saying “Europe, constituted by the rich for the rich.” All without a single headline on the BBC News website.

There's a special place in hell for globalists like @EmmanuelMacron...

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/sta ... 2207639552

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Tommy Robinson is going to reveal how the BBC’s Panorama set out to frame him in its ‘Tommy Takedown’ programme. He has undercover evidence proving a ‘fake news’ scandal that will shock the nation. He says he will reveal all on 23rd Feb. My advice to him is don’t wait, do it now.

https://twitter.com/GerardBattenMEP/sta ... 1872329728

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