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#1481 Post by Alan H » February 2nd, 2019, 12:02 pm

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#1482 Post by Alan H » February 2nd, 2019, 12:32 pm

Interesting discussion of that FB. In response to someone in global logistics, who said:
I work in global logistics.
The problem is not the number of ships, ferries, planes, trains, etc. Without the facilities to unload them all; docks, roll on-roll off, hardstanding, rail yards, etc the whole thing slows to a crawl.
Every day, an average of 10,000 lorries pass through the Port of Dover and are typically processed within two minutes. With only 7 Ro-Ro ramps even keeping the process time down to 5 minuets that max throughput is 3,000 per day.
This will lead to either ferries stacking or reduced sailings.
Chris Greyling should have hired Landing Craft instead of his mates pretend ferries. Because they can discharge cargo directly to a beach.
The Royal Navy used to have some until the torys decided that the Americans can be Mum's Taxi for the British Armed Forces.
This is going to get very, very bad.
I replied:
Good. Someone who knows what they're talking about. As you say, If 10,000 lorries continue to arrive each day and only 3,000 get through, that's 7,000 that will be in the queue at the end of the first day. The second day, 3,000 will get through but a further 10,000 more will have joined the queue, making it now a queue of 14,000 and so on. No doubt after two days, hauliers will simply give up and see no point in even leaving for Dover, but if they did, the queue simply keeps getting longer at the rate of 7,000 a day. Any idea how much motorway 7,000 lorries takes up?
Someone else replied that would take up 56 km of dual carriageway, nose to tail. I repleid,
I'm in north-west London, 82 miles/130 km from Dover, so it would fill up the equivalent of that road on the third day (it's probably dual carriageway most of the way). Alternatively, in the morning of the fourth day, it would fill up the equivalent of the whole 188 km of the M25 (ignoring the usual traffic).
Where do you live, coffee? I can see loads of opportunities for renting out parking space for vans and lorries anywhere in the south east.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1483 Post by Alan H » February 2nd, 2019, 12:33 pm

Brexiters are finally being forced to face reality
For at least three years – and in some cases much longer – Brexiters have peddled fantasies, half-truths and outright lies about what Brexit would mean and how it could be done. Ever since the 2016 referendum more and more of these have been exposed or debunked, as many of the posts and links on this blog testify.

But however often this happens these falsehoods live on, zombie-like, endlessly repeated by Brexit leaders and regurgitated by their legions of followers. The critics are ignored or dismissed as ‘remoaners’ or worse, even though much of the criticism comes from expert or well-informed quarters. That cuts no ice with those Brexiters for whom belief trumps evidence, and who accept expertise only when it comes from those who are almost invariably the minority fringe of their profession be that law, economics, business or trade policy.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1484 Post by coffee » February 2nd, 2019, 3:38 pm

EU accepts visa-free travel and airline extension after no-deal Brexit: Brexit News for Saturday 2 February


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1485 Post by Alan H » February 2nd, 2019, 3:48 pm

coffee wrote:EU accepts visa-free travel and airline extension after no-deal Brexit: Brexit News for Saturday 2 February


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/
Do you find it in some way comforting to only be told half the truth by your Brexiteer sources, coffee?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1486 Post by animist » February 2nd, 2019, 9:09 pm

Alan H wrote:Brexiters are finally being forced to face reality
For at least three years – and in some cases much longer – Brexiters have peddled fantasies, half-truths and outright lies about what Brexit would mean and how it could be done. Ever since the 2016 referendum more and more of these have been exposed or debunked, as many of the posts and links on this blog testify.

But however often this happens these falsehoods live on, zombie-like, endlessly repeated by Brexit leaders and regurgitated by their legions of followers. The critics are ignored or dismissed as ‘remoaners’ or worse, even though much of the criticism comes from expert or well-informed quarters. That cuts no ice with those Brexiters for whom belief trumps evidence, and who accept expertise only when it comes from those who are almost invariably the minority fringe of their profession be that law, economics, business or trade policy.
a pity that Chris Grey has disabled comments on his worthy blogs because of the nuisance posed by Brexiter trolls. Just part of what has happened over this issue, aided by the tabloids - and by the ease with which non-serious online thugs can make threats without fear of retribution and spout drivel without fear of correction

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#1487 Post by animist » February 2nd, 2019, 9:23 pm

Alan H wrote:I take your point that May's deal may well be less worse than no deal - and I suspect she's hoping others will see that as well - but it's still a dereliction of duty by MPs. It is simply the lesser of two self-imposed harms. Some MPs have it in their tiny little minds that the advisory referendum MUST BE OBEYED come hell or high water, whatever the cost and the implications. To do otherwise would be to would be a gross dereliction of duty to their constituents (whether theor own voted for Brexit or not). It's been a good ploy that Labour et al. have allowed the Brexiteers to get away with. It was a wheezo marketing idea... That compliance with the advisory referendum has overridden every other statutory duty of MPs to represent the best interests of their constituents and the country. All Brexiteer arguments end up with, ah yes, but the Will of the People...

You may be right about the border issue: it's clear the EU cares more about the GFA than the UK does and I'm sure the EU will do all it can to prevent a situation that might mean that there is a conflict on one of their borders. MPs seem to care not a jot about that. I don't really care for arguments that we have to ensure we don't have a hard border because violence might erupt - that's a bad road to go down - but it can also be argued on simply complying with our international obligations under the GFA. If we leave the EU, there will be a hard border. This talk about technological solutions is farcical: border control are not there to ensure the responsible hauliers have dotted the i's and crossed the t's: they are there to stop the smugglers. You can't do that by having a few cameras or computers.
re the border issue, I don't remember seeing anyone, including Dunt or Grey, making the point I made; and yes, if Ireland feels unable to enforce the hard border then smuggling will become an issue. How selfish Britain still is, especially in relation to the Irish people - whom we have mistreated so badly over the centuries.

Re MPs and the status of the referendum result, I absolutely agree. But not only was the result advisory only, as you say, it did not entail any particular form of Brexit, and the damage IMO was done in the Lancaster House declaration that Britain would go for a hard Brexit. I guess that the MPs of both main parties fear deselection if they oppose Brexit, in particular hard Brexit, and it is not for me to judge them. But it is a pity that they, especially the Tories who claim to value the history of the British constitution, seem to ignore the views of the esteeemed 18C philosopher and Tory mentor Edmund Burke, since he defined the role of the Parliamentary representative as being not that of a mere delegate but - as you say - a man or woman equipped to advance the real material interests of his/her constituents, not just to slavishly parrot what they feel on an issue which, before the referendum, was not high on the average voter's list of priorities

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#1488 Post by animist » February 3rd, 2019, 9:47 am

Alan, maybe you can help me over this. If the May deal involves a backstop which involves remaining in a Customs Union with the EU for an indefinite time, AND if this is anathema to all the Labour MPs who voted against the deal, AND YET if Labour wants a permanent Customs Union, whatever is the difference twixt the two in practice? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1PQ5WC

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#1489 Post by Alan H » February 3rd, 2019, 10:46 am

animist wrote:Alan, maybe you can help me over this. If the May deal involves a backstop which involves remaining in a Customs Union with the EU for an indefinite time, AND if this is anathema to all the Labour MPs who voted against the deal, AND YET if Labour wants a permanent Customs Union, whatever is the difference twixt the two in practice? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brit ... SKCN1PQ5WC
Fuck knows, animist. Other than a 'jobs-first' Brexit, and hand waving about A customs union but not THE customs union without actually saying what the fuck they actually want, who knows?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1490 Post by coffee » February 3rd, 2019, 11:49 am

Theresa May invokes Jeremy Corbyn's support as she pledges to 'battle for Britain' in Brussels: Brexit News for Sunday 3 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1491 Post by Alan H » February 3rd, 2019, 11:58 am

coffee wrote:Theresa May invokes Jeremy Corbyn's support as she pledges to 'battle for Britain' in Brussels: Brexit News for Sunday 3 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/
:laughter: 'Invokes' is doing a lot of work there, coffee... But remember, as much as May desperately needs to change the deal, it's a deal that the EU has already agreed on and have said it is done, with no more negotiation.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1492 Post by Alan H » February 3rd, 2019, 1:02 pm

Who voted for this, coffee? Nissan confirms new X-Trail will not be built in Sunderland
Nissan has confirmed it is abandoning plans to build a new model of one of its flagship vehicles at its Sunderland plant.

The Japanese car manufacturer had said in 2016 it would be building the new version of the X-Trail SUV at the factory along with its next-generation Qashqai but on Sunday it said it was moving production to Japan.

The Japanese firm said: “While we have taken this decision for business reasons, the continued uncertainty around the UK’s future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future.”
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1493 Post by coffee » February 4th, 2019, 9:09 am

Government brings in Leave- and Remain-backing Tory backbenchers for talks on backstop 'alternative arrangements': Brexit News for Monday 4 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1494 Post by Alan H » February 4th, 2019, 10:48 am

coffee wrote:Government brings in Leave- and Remain-backing Tory backbenchers for talks on backstop 'alternative arrangements': Brexit News for Monday 4 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/
Hilarious! So when MPs voted for an 'alternative proposal' to the backstop that has already been agreed, there wasn't actually an althernative proposed? They voted blind, not knowing what they were voting for, no one could say what it was, how this new rainbow and unicorn could be achieved or what the implication of it would be? Remind you of anything?

Anyway, if they don't manage to work something out - and they don't get the EU to re-open negotiations on the deal they already agreed with May, and get the EU to agree to their new whizzing ideas and they get Parliament to agree to it as well - we could very well fall out without a deal. Unlike the Brexiters, who, as usual, don't have much of a clue about anything, we do have a pretty solid idea what that would mean:
No deal advocates have no plan for no deal.

Never mind the more excitable stories, the following WILL happen in a no-deal Brexit

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UK products will face tariffs if sold into the EU - for example cars at 10% and shoes at 8%. Some UK producers will become uncompetitive when facing these tariffs, especially compared to EU producers, and will therefore cease production

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UK products which require testing to be placed on the EU market will need a test carried out within the EU, a UK test will not be sufficient. This will add costs to production.

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There will be no customs cooperation between the UK and EU, thus for example no mutual recognition of the Authorised Economic Operator scheme. Products are therefore likely to take more time to go through customs checks

4/
UK agricultural exporters will face potentially even higher tariffs, such as 42% on cheddar cheese. Our access to the lower tariff rate quotas is uncertain, without which many agricultural exports will be incompetitive

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There will also be extensive checks on EU agricultural exports to the EU, which will further add costs, and there will not be veterinary equivalence schemes in place to facilitate these

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UK service providers will not have the right to sell certain services across the EU, particularly direct from the UK. In many cases they will have to set up new offices in the EU

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Many UK based staff will not have the right to work across the EU, for example as tour reps for UK travel companies. EU citizens would have to take these roles

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UK haulage companies would not be able to carry loads between EU destinations, and could for the short term only carry from UK to an EU destination and return. This will make them uncompetitive to EU hauliers

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The tariffs on goods, and restrictions on services, will also apply to countries with who the EU has a current trade agreement that the UK fails to replicate - for example there is likely to be no agreement with Turkey

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In no-deal Brexit there will be no agreement with the EU on data adequacy or financial services equivalence. This will mean extra cost for all UK companies who move data between UK and EU for example

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The UK Government will have to decide on whether to keep or reduce our own tariffs. This will not be an easy decision - lower tariffs may help consumers but harm UK producers and developing countries who currently get particular privileges

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Over 50% of UK trade will be affected by these changes. Less than 10% of EU trade will be affected by these changes. UK costs will rise, EU costs are unlikely to do so. This will be a major change to the terms of trade between us

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These issues are why even no-deal advocates talk of 'managed no-deal', or a deal with the EU. But if all of this is going to affect the UK more than the EU there is no reason for the EU to offer a more generous deal than that on offer now

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All of these are the sort of issues which are typically resolved in a free trade agreement. But these take time, typically in the EU 5-7 years. Waiting this time would mean all of these issues being maintained, affecting UK competitiveness

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Some no-deal advocates claim the UK could gain competitiveness by scrapping EU regulations, however it would be difficult then to negotiate a trade deal with the EU at the same time.

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The UK is expecting to start Free Trade Agreement negotiations with US and others in a no-deal situation. However if the UK economy is changing it will not be clear which sectors the UK should prioritise.

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Well known incompatibilities between US and EU will also cause problems, if we accept US agriculture this will make a good trade deal with the EU harder. It will take time for the UK to make these decisions

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As from the date of a no-deal Brexit UK companies will have no easy redress for business issues in the EU or countries with whom there is no trade agreement e.g. delayed containers, staff refused permission to work.

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The UK Government will have to take business issues up diplomatically with the EU, a process that typically takes a number of years to resolve individual issues. EU Single Market tools like Solvit will not be available

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It is all of these reasons - not even the more excitable shortage stories - why the EU believes the threat of no-deal to be non-credible. They believe that no UK Government could survive the economic harm likely from the above

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There is no plan from no-deal supporters to address the issues outlined above. The Government's plan is to hope the absolute worst doesn't happen, but they also have no realistic future plan

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No-deal puts up a high economic barrier between the UK and our largest and nearest trading partner. This cannot be a sustainable long term position, and never has been in 2000 years.

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As workers and consumers no deal has the potential to cause problems for millions in the UK, particularly if it happens in less than two months. This is now the key message that needs to be spread

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Is any of that wrong, coffee?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1495 Post by coffee » February 5th, 2019, 9:00 am

In numerous areas, the solutions are already there to cope with a no-deal scenario, writes @felix_hathaway


https://brexitcentral.com/numerous-area ... -scenario/

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 4536265729

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"I would like to make it absolutely clear: our ports and the Eurotunnel will be ready, including in the event of a no deal." - Calais President Xavier Bertrand

https://twitter.com/No_Deal_Ready/statu ... 2263158785

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David Trimble to launch legal challenge against Theresa May's Brexit deal: Brexit News for Tuesday 5 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1496 Post by Alan H » February 5th, 2019, 10:32 am

coffee wrote:In numerous areas, the solutions are already there to cope with a no-deal scenario, writes @felix_hathaway
It might not be as much of a clusterfuck as it could be... Fucking morons.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1497 Post by coffee » February 5th, 2019, 5:10 pm

EU MEPs are demanding that Ireland put up a hard border after No Deal or be kicked out of the customs territory.

Meanwhile Irish government refuse to talk to UK government about tech to avoid hard border.

Bonkers.

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 2849155073

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Germany just slashed its 2019 growth forecast. Investor morale lowest since August 2012.

Merkel on Brexit: “To solve this point you have to be creative and listen to each other”

They need a deal.

https://twitter.com/Michael_Heaver/stat ... 3581730816

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LAUNCHED: Conservative youth movement @TPointUK up and running, left-wing heads explode.

“Turning Point UK is here to shake up the debate on University campuses which have deplatformed conservative speakers for too long.”

https://www.westmonster.com/turning-poi ... s-explode/

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 6206000128

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England is nearly twice as crowded as Germany & 3.5 times as crowded as France. Rapid, immigration-driven population growth adds to pressures on public services & is making congestion worse. Britain was named among the 10 most gridlocked countries in 2018 https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefi ... category/1

https://twitter.com/MigrationWatch/stat ... 7842751488

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These people voted to remain, now they would vote to leave.

Why? They respect democracy, and have now seen how the undemocratic EU works.

Join the fastest growing Brexit movement @ http://leavemeansleave.eu/take-action

https://twitter.com/LeaveMnsLeave/statu ... 6336099330

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Investor morale in the eurozone has hit a 4-year-low.

Recession in Italy, turmoil in France the German economy slowing. When will the EU accept their euro dream has failed?

Help save Brexit @ http://leavemeansleave.eu/take-action

https://twitter.com/LeaveMnsLeave/statu ... 2827908096

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#1498 Post by Alan H » February 5th, 2019, 5:27 pm

What tech for the Irish border, coffee?

But anyway, back on planet reality:
Last Tuesday the government backed a Brexit unicorn - the so-called “Malthouse Compromise” - in a bid to keep the disintegrating Conservative party together. Less than a week on, and the unicorn is already lame.

Even as Theresa May prepares to make a speech in Northern Ireland promising to secure a deal with the EU that “commands broad support” and a majority in Parliament, and a gaggle of soft and hard Brexiters gather to discuss the options, it’s clear that divisions in the Tory party won’t be fixed.

Many pro-European MPs have called out the Malthouse unicorn for what it really is, with former universities minister Sam Gyimahdenouncing “fantasy politics”. But it is the Tory hard Brexiters, whom May is bending over backwards to accommodate, who are putting up the most resistance.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=blD924-a5ASkxKP9IyZ4UKi3RmPzL8iKFzZjpRtiTLc&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=05_feb_2019&n=7

Yesterday, while meeting MPs from the Commons Brexit committee, the European Commission’s secretary-general Martin Selmayr offered legal guarantees that the controversial “backstop” would only be temporary. That could be presented as a fundamental change to May’s deal. But the two Brexiters in the meeting - Andrea Jenkyns and John Whittingdale - said they would still not be able to support it.

The problem is that the Brexiters have gone Full Malthouse: demanding a renegotiation of the backstop and relying on technological solutions (which don’t exist) to keep trade flowing freely across the Irish border. It’s a fantasy the EU can’t accept, as Angela Merkel showed by again ruling out the reopening of the withdrawal agreement.

Perhaps the Brexiters are deluded over what they can achieve. But this “compromise” looks a lot like a cynical ploy to run the Brexit clock down to “no deal” on March 29. And even if Brexiters were given everything they want on the backstop, it’s unlikely that many would support May’s deal even then. Boris Johnson’s Telegraph column yesterday made that abundantly clear, laying into the “staggering” divorce bill, “protracted and humiliating” transition period and May’s “bonkers” plans for future relations with the EU.

The more reasonable members of the Tory party need to quickly dispatch this lame Malthouse unicorn to unicorn heaven. It’s already wasted another two weeks of precious time. MPs must resist creating new fantasies and focus on rapidly exploring the remaining Brexit options on the table: Labour’s proposals, “Norway plus”, “managed no deal”...

Once all of these are written off as either unviable or disastrous, there is only one democratic way to break the deadlock in Parliament. Backing a People’s Vote.
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WATCH: John Mann MP has said "show me the money" when asked if he would take a "cash bung"" for backing the PM's Brexit deal. Expect better from your MP? Ask them to demand People’s Vote.

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Starmer’s moves on free movement

The problem with Labour’s Brexit plan is the details have never been clearly spelled out. Keir Starmer’s Newsnight interviewyesterday could provide some clues. Labour’s Brexit chief was open to a qualified version of free movement of people, claiming most Brits had no problem with EU citizens coming to join their family, or study, or take up a job as long as “it has been advertised locally beforehand”. He also suggested EU state aid rules would not be a problem.

Whether this is Labour party policy or just Keir Starmer policy is unclear. But it would move Labour’s Brexit vision towards something more realistic. It’s still bad, because we’d be left as huge rule-takers, but it’s potentially negotiable. The most important thing for Labour to do is hurry up and settle on one plan then try and get it through Parliament. If it then fails, it’s time to move on to the final part of Labour’s stated Brexit policy and support a public vote. What’s clear is that this prolonged inertia is frustrating Jeremy Corbyn’s followers and losing Labour support in the country.
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https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=YqgukYA3Mrlri-dqG7I8TlsRzPwtM_ygxAp0j5TJWRI7KWw_n-mAnuejUXGzkE-MqZrcDl12T6JudB6NpSyoyw&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=05_feb_2019&n=15Actor David Schneider sums up why we need a People’s Vote

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Promises to Nissan broken

Following Nissan’s announcement over the weekend that it will not be making its new X-Trail model in Sunderland after all, the government has said that they intend to take back the £60 million pledge for breaking its 2016 promises to investing in Britain.

This hard stance beggars belief. The whole country - and the North East in particular - knows that it is this government that has broken promises on Brexit. Far from delivering what they said they would - frictionless free trade, the easiest deal and the exact same benefits of being in the EU - the government’s proposed deal would mean the UK being £100 billion a year worse off, a massive loss of trade with Europe and less control over the rules we have to follow than we have already inside the EU.

Instead of blaming Nissan, Downing Street should be on its knees apologising to Sunderland car workers for failing them. Perhaps a suitable olive branch would be asking the people if they really want this Brexit mess after all by giving them a People’s Vote?

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The great Brexit traffic jam

In an effort to prevent miles-long tailbacks in Kent, HMRC has taken the drastic step of announcing that imports from the EU will be waved through unchecked in case of a “no deal” Brexit. This is all very well, but any solution depends on how the French react. And France will be under pressure from 26 other member states to protect the EU’s single market from sub-standard or unsafe products entering via Britain. While no such products might arrive at Dover, once the UK crashes out of the single market’s legal framework the EU cannot be sure. Who knows who might take advantage of Brexit chaos? The EU’s instinctive response will be to protect its consumers.
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“Even if the government fixes 100% of the problems on it’s side of the border, the reality is that will only ever be 50% of the total picture. It’s the French authorities that will determine whether or not parts of Kent become a lorry-park.”

Joe Owen, associate director of the Institute for Government, quoted in the FT
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Nicola Sturgeon warns of no deal Brexit in US speech (BBC)

British steelmakers face ‘hugely negative’ impact of no-deal Brexit (FT £)

Norway urges students to avoid UK universities in Brexit warning (Guardian)

UK to spend £800k on 'highly likely' Eurotunnel Brexit case(BBC)
Top Brexit comment


Isobel Housecroft: As a Labour campaigner I’m left wondering what we stand for (New European)

Polly Toynbee: Fantasies of Dunkirk spirit couldn’t survive a no-deal Brexit (Guardian)

Ian Davidson: May wrong to suggest MPs must not ‘usurp’ her power (InFacts)
Looking forward…


Today, Tuesday 5th February
- Theresa May speech in Northern Ireland

10.15 Scottish affairs committee on the relationship between the UK and Scottish Parliament
14.30 Welsh affairs committee on Brexit, trade and customs

Tomorrow, Wednesday 6th February
09.30 ONS: UK productivity analysis
09.30 EFRA committee pre-legislative scrutiny of draft Environment Bill
09.30 Westminster Hall debate: UK as a financial services hub
09.30 Northern Ireland affairs committee on implications of EU Withdrawal and Backstop
10.30 Lords EU sub-committee on future UK-EU cooperation on asylum
11.00 Liam Fox at International Trade committee
12.00 Prime Minister's Questions
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1499 Post by coffee » February 6th, 2019, 5:23 pm

DERBY: ‘World class' £19m aerospace campus to be built.

“This new site covers 9.7-acres, doubling our operational facilities and allowing us the capacity to produce more and create new jobs.”

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The irony! Top law firm Herbert Smith Freehills claims "the backstop in its present form is illegal as a matter of EU law". Without an end date or the ability to unilaterally withdraw it cannot be defined as a "transitional measure" and is arguably "inconsistent" with the GFA.

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The Yellow Vests have gotten support from the leaders of Italy's two governing parties, and now Deputy PM Luigi Di Maio has gone to meet them in person. @EmmanuelMacron won't be happy - Europe is turning against his pathetic EU project!

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Media silence over positive economic story with a new Toyota being produced in Brexit Britain this year.

The remain media will continue to ignore positive economic stories, we think it's time #ToGoWTO.

Help save Brexit @ http://leavemeansleave.eu/take-action

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Don't believe the Brexit scare stories - investment in the City is UP.

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#1500 Post by Alan H » February 6th, 2019, 6:11 pm

People's Vote briefing:
Liam Fox’s department for international trade is looking woefully unprepared for Brexit. Don’t forget, this is the minister who claimed he would have trade deals with 60 plus countries that we already enjoy thanks to our EU membership rolled over by the Brexit deadline.

But, with 51 days until March 29, Fox has managed to rollover precisely zero of these deals. The CBI has today warned of the “hugely damaging implications” of Fox’s failure for “relationships across the globe… from Japan to Turkey” if we crash out of the EU without these deals signed.

And that’s not the only example of the government underestimating the complexities of going it alone in global trade. Ministers have told businesses that they are considering cutting swathes of import tariffs on food and goods in the event of a no-deal Brexit, The Times reports. The idea is to protect shoppers from double-digit price rises when tariffs are slapped on EU imports overnight.

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But it’s not that simple. Thanks to WTO rules - so beloved by the Brexiters - we would have to reduce our tariffs with all other countries around the world to zero too. That would open up UK farmers and other producers to cheap goods from across the globe, including from agricultural giants like the US, Australia or Brazil. As the head of the British Ceramic Confederation told The Times, it was a “foolhardy action” that could “ruin” her industry.

It would also make cutting new trade deals much harder. Where is the UK’s negotiating leverage if tariffs have already been unilaterally slashed to zero?

But Fox is not the only minister who is making a mess of our post-Brexit trade links. Chris Grayling is apparently no longer welcome in Calais due to his “completely disrespectful” manner when he visited on Tuesday, according to the port’s chairman.

These out-of-their-depth Brexiters are proving just how complex and interconnected trade is in the 21st century. Their travails have blown a hole in the Leave campaign’s defiant “Global Britain” narrative, since adopted by the government. The prospect of being an “independent trading nation” is looking less glorious and much more of a headache.

The fact is that, as a member of the EU, the UK can punch above its weight on the trading world stage. As part of a bloc of 500 million consumers, we can help drive favourable deals with other giant global economies. The EU’s latest free trade agreement with Japan, which we risk losing just weeks after it came into force, is a prime example.

But by ourselves, as a medium-sized economy, we risk being bullied by big global players like Trump’s America. Although Brexiters refuse to see the logic, by staying in the EU we are a more global Britain.
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“The concern is they’ll do something stupid like reducing all tariffs to zero, which would be devastating.”

An industry insider talks to The Times about the government’s post-Brexit tariff schedule.
Video of the Day


WATCH: Neither May’s deal, nor any other deal, not even crashing out with “no deal”, would end the Brexit row. The fastest way to end it is to stay in the EU. But the people need to make that decision, with a People’s Vote.

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Backstop or not, Brexit is bad for Northern Ireland

Disputes over the Irish border backstop rage on, as Theresa Mayspends a second day in Northern Ireland talking to political parties there. She risked angering Tory Brexiters yesterday by ruling out scrapping the backstop entirely, merely seeking changes to it in Brussels when she visits on Thursday.

But backstop or not, and whatever form it takes, leaving the EU will be bad for Northern Ireland - and the politics of peace in particular. Any hardening of the border, even if hi-tech solutions mean this is just extra cameras or spot checks for smuggling, will raise tensions among nationalists who see divisions coming back across the island of Ireland. But any form of Brexit which sees checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain will rile the DUP. Both scenarios lessen the chances of getting power sharing at Stormont back on track.

The best way to protect the peace process is to stay in the EU - which is what the people of Northern Ireland voted for in the first place. And the most democratic way to do that is by holding a People’s Vote.
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Who’s to blame?

EU diplomats are getting increasingly worried about shouldering the blame for the chaos of a “no deal” Brexit, reports the FT. It’s no wonder, with Brexiters like Boris Johnson and Chris Grayling already fuelling the blame game in the UK.

But it is, of course, these Leave campaigners who will be to blame if “no deal” chaos unfolds. It is their impossible, contradictory promises in 2016 which have made negotiating Brexit so difficult. It is they who have had the loudest voices in government over the past two years. Johnson may have left Cabinet, but he was there when the Irish backstop was first agreed to over a year ago. And it is their pursuit of fantasy Brexit which is running down the clock to “no deal” chaos now.

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Corbyn’s views are not Labour’s

Anyone in doubt about Jeremy Corbyn’s past views of the EU will have been left more certain by a video which has surfaced from 10 years ago in which the Labour leader described a “European empire” and the Lisbon treaty creating a “military frankenstein”.

Corbyn’s views may have become more nuanced over time, but it would explain why Labour has not been more forthcoming in backing a People’s Vote. Nevertheless, Corbyn is also a public advocate of democracy within his party. Party members would not forgive the leadership for facilitating a damaging Brexit. Reassuringly, a spokesperson responded to the video saying Corbyn was “clear that a public vote must remain an option”. If that’s the case, Labour should hurry up exploring other unworkable options and finally give a People’s Vote its full support.
What's your reason?


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Rightwing thinktank breached charity law by campaigning for hard Brexit (Guardian)

UK can avoid no-deal Brexit recession, says economic forecaster (Guardian)

Brexit risks ‘weakening’ Europe and UK on defence, Leonardo warns (FT £)

Nissan blow leads to regret and defiance in a Brexit heartland(Bloomberg)
Top Brexit comment


Editorial: Brexit and Ireland: the forging of folly (Guardian)

Jan Page: I voted Leave but our inept leaders have changed my mind (Times £)

Rafael Behr: Trump and Putin have relaunched the arms race. Hug Europe close, Britain (Guardian)
Looking forward…


Today, Wednesday 6th February
- Jean-Claude Juncker meeting Irish PM Leo Varadkar
09.30 ONS: UK productivity analysis
09.30 EFRA committee pre-legislative scrutiny of draft Environment Bill
09.30 Westminster Hall debate: UK as a financial services hub
09.30 Northern Ireland affairs committee on implications of EU Withdrawal and Backstop
10.30 Lords EU sub-committee on future UK-EU cooperation on asylum
11.00 Liam Fox at International Trade committee
12.00 Prime Minister's Questions

Tomorrow, Thursday 7th February
- 50 days until Brexit day
- Theresa May visiting Brussels
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1501 Post by coffee » February 7th, 2019, 8:42 am

Toyota has begun production of its all-new Corolla hatchback and estate range at the firm's UK manufacturing facility in Derbyshire.

@ToyotaFactory is #NoDealReady


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Donald Tusk's claims of a 'special place in hell' for 'no plan' Brexiteers prompts British fury: Brexit News for Thursday 7 February

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