animist wrote: No, i DO NOT BELIEVE IN MY COUNTRY - WHY THE HELL SHOULD I?
It's rather funny how we can draw completely different inferences from a simple phrase! I was making the distinction between believing in your country and any other. I was looking for an alternative country.
And "believe in" meaning something like worth supporting or contributing to. (I was attributing you capitals to thick thumbs, not shouting. Was I right to do so..?) So you may have a different answer if you take that perspective. I was also rather startled by an apparent assertion that no contribution to the society in which one lives had any merit, though, based on your response, I don't think that was your intention.
well, the reason that we took the phrase in different ways was that it is indeed simple. No, it is not just simple, it is simple-minded, and I was annoyed by its use. Brexiters are not notably subtle thinkers, they prefer to use phrases like this which can mean just about anything; another one is "Don't talk down Britain!" - which has been used by Brexit MPs as well as by the hoi polloi. What this abuse of language attempts to do is to shut down anyone who disagrees with Brexit by implying that they are unpatriotic, and that somehow criticising Brexit is tantamount to weakening and insulting Britain.
Nick wrote: So should we care rather more for the destruction of the economies of Greece and other EU nations than you have so far thought...?
oh dear, old faithful again! Yes, of course we should be concerned, and continued membership of the EU might well be a better place to show this than being outside as a struggling offshore island which does not know what it's doing. And these are not the poorest countries in the world, are they? Greece possibly fiddled its national accounts in order to join, IIRC
This is not "belief in ones country", but belief in the policy being persued by any particular government- rather different, I'd say.
well yes, agreed, but what seems to be happening is the two are being conflated. As I said above, belief in anything can mean anything. So a Christian "believes in" Satan, ie that the latter exists and is powerful; s/he believes in God in a rather different way of course. I do not believe in faith, and I think that blind faith in anything is not humanistic