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#441 Post by coffee » April 23rd, 2018, 10:12 am

Latest post of the previous page:

Theresa May vows she won’t bow to Remainers’ demands we stay in EU’s Customs Union: Brexit News for Monday 23 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -23-april/

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#442 Post by Alan H » April 23rd, 2018, 10:20 am

coffee wrote:Theresa May vows she won’t bow to Remainers’ demands we stay in EU’s Customs Union: Brexit News for Monday 23 April

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -23-april/
What kind of popcorn does everyone want?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#443 Post by coffee » April 23rd, 2018, 10:50 am

Britain to sign a Brexit deal with Michigan state to collaborate on new technology like driverless cars

Said deal will let Michigan and the UK be at the forefront of the transformation

By KATE FERGUSON, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -cars.html

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#444 Post by Alan H » April 23rd, 2018, 11:04 am

coffee wrote:Britain to sign a Brexit deal with Michigan state to collaborate on new technology like driverless cars

Said deal will let Michigan and the UK be at the forefront of the transformation

By KATE FERGUSON, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -cars.html
LOL! What has that got to do with Brexit? The Brexiteers are clutching at straws. Nothing new there then.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#445 Post by animist » April 23rd, 2018, 12:24 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:'CALL EU'S BLUFF!' Jacob Rees-Mogg urges May not to back down in Irish border dispute

LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has called on the Government to call the EU's bluff over Northern Ireland and dare them to put up a hard border between north and south.

By CAMILLA TOMINE
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -rees-mogg
So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?
coffee, I do not recognise faith as one the humanist principles which you like to codify. But sadly, ISTM that Moggie is right, in a very cynical, unethical and unhumanistic way. The EU would have problems in enforcing its customs union borders if this foul country called the UK decided to call its bluff

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#446 Post by Nick » April 23rd, 2018, 1:02 pm

animist wrote:so Trump accuses the EU of being protectionist? This is the man who is starting trade wars in order to save American jobs!
I'm certainly not a Trump supporter, and think his strategy to be somewhat high risk and therefore somewhat unwise, but he does have a point about unfair competition, and the EU is most certainly protectionist. ISTM that Trump is prepared to cause serious disruption in order to shake the international compacency. Whether it will work or not, only time will tell....

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#447 Post by Nick » April 23rd, 2018, 1:07 pm

animist wrote:
coffee wrote:'EU is using Ireland to lock UK inside!' Tory MEP's SHOCK warning about EU 'game plan'

THE EUROPEAN UNION will exploit the difficulties of reaching a deal on the Irish border to trap the United Kingdom inside the bloc after Brexit, Tory MEP David Campbell Bannerman said.

By AURORA BOSOTTI

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94903 ... land-video
shock warning? No, a conspiracy theory with no evidential support.
Seriously? There's lots of evidence! Just listen to the pronouncements and proposals emenating from Brussels. Campbell Bannerman is right. But it's no shock, just shocking.

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#448 Post by Nick » April 23rd, 2018, 1:09 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:'CALL EU'S BLUFF!' Jacob Rees-Mogg urges May not to back down in Irish border dispute

LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has called on the Government to call the EU's bluff over Northern Ireland and dare them to put up a hard border between north and south.

By CAMILLA TOMINEY

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -rees-mogg
So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?


So you think the EU will put up a hard border, then....?

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#449 Post by Alan H » April 23rd, 2018, 1:11 pm

Nick wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:'CALL EU'S BLUFF!' Jacob Rees-Mogg urges May not to back down in Irish border dispute

LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has called on the Government to call the EU's bluff over Northern Ireland and dare them to put up a hard border between north and south.

By CAMILLA TOMINEY

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -rees-mogg
So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?


So you think the EU will put up a hard border, then....?
Do you accept that there has to be a border between the EU and a third country?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#450 Post by Nick » April 23rd, 2018, 1:18 pm

animist wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:'CALL EU'S BLUFF!' Jacob Rees-Mogg urges May not to back down in Irish border dispute

LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has called on the Government to call the EU's bluff over Northern Ireland and dare them to put up a hard border between north and south.

By CAMILLA TOMINE
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -rees-mogg
So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?
coffee, I do not recognise faith as one the humanist principles which you like to codify.
Ahem! It was Alan, not coffee, who ntroduced "faith"
But sadly, ISTM that Moggie is right
, :thumbsup:
in a very cynical, unethical and unhumanistic way.
So why is free trade any of those things...?
The EU would have problems in enforcing its customs union borders if this foul country called the UK decided to call its bluff
FIFY :D Good.

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#451 Post by animist » April 23rd, 2018, 2:51 pm

Nick wrote:
animist wrote:
Alan H wrote:So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?
coffee, I do not recognise faith as one of the humanist principles which you like to codify.
Ahem! It was Alan, not coffee, who ntroduced "faith"
oh well, so what? Coffee needs to put his mouth where his pasties are, so he is now being challenged to SAY what he thinks by both Alan and me
Nick wrote:
in a very cynical, unethical and unhumanistic way.
So why is free trade any of those things...?
I was saying that the Mog was these things, not free trade. No, free trade is a good thing, but like most things in life (as an economist, you will surely agree here) it has costs. If the cost in this situation includes a risk to peace in Ireland, then it is not worth the cost. The EU cannot really simply dump its whole customs union just because Britain on a whim decided on a venture without considering the implications. But what I seriously wonder (and what Moggie might have been hinting at) is that Ireland and the EU just will not be able to enforce some hard border even if they want to because of the numbers of crossing-points on the border. More likely, and I think this has already been mooted, the EU will simply refuse any sort of trade deal with Britain unless the border issue is sorted out by Britain in a way acceptable to the EU and Ireland. This might well mean the separation of Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK, an ironic twist to the Brexit story

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#452 Post by animist » April 23rd, 2018, 3:39 pm

Nick wrote:
animist wrote:
coffee wrote:'EU is using Ireland to lock UK inside!' Tory MEP's SHOCK warning about EU 'game plan'

THE EUROPEAN UNION will exploit the difficulties of reaching a deal on the Irish border to trap the United Kingdom inside the bloc after Brexit, Tory MEP David Campbell Bannerman said.

By AURORA BOSOTTI

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94903 ... land-video
shock warning? No, a conspiracy theory with no evidential support.
Seriously? There's lots of evidence! Just listen to the pronouncements and proposals emenating from Brussels. Campbell Bannerman is right. But it's no shock, just shocking.
I have listened to quite a few, but remind me which ones count as evidence. How come that the EU wants to get Brexit off its back by end 2020 rather than the full 2 years of "transition" that Britain has mooted? This does not sound like a body desperate to keep Britain bound to it. And anyway, even if that were the plan, Britain can avoid it by accepting the EU suggestion that Northern Ireland alone stays in the CU.

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#453 Post by coffee » April 23rd, 2018, 5:27 pm

Coffee do not wish to debate, only choose what coffee think what is good :smile: .

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#454 Post by coffee » April 23rd, 2018, 5:29 pm

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GREECE: A huge brawl erupted between migrants, a far-right mob and left-wing activists on the island of Lesbos.

Uncontrolled, open door, mass migration causes division, resentment and violence.

https://www.westmonster.com/huge-brawl- ... os-greece/

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Leaving the EU will allow Teesport to become a free port - a move which would create thousands of new jobs!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94961 ... toms-union

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The registration system for EU nationals living in the UK is as easy as setting up an online shopping account, says Amber Rudd.

https://www.ft.com/content/a148dad0-44a ... 5c97e6fd0b

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#455 Post by Alan H » April 23rd, 2018, 5:32 pm

coffee wrote:GREECE: A huge brawl erupted between migrants, a far-right mob and left-wing activists on the island of Lesbos.

Uncontrolled, open door, mass migration causes division, resentment and violence.

https://www.westmonster.com/huge-brawl- ... os-greece/

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eaving the EU will allow Teesport to become a free port - a move which would create thousands of new jobs!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94961 ... toms-union

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The registration system for EU nationals living in the UK is as easy as setting up an online shopping account, says Amber Rudd.

https://www.ft.com/content/a148dad0-44a ... 5c97e6fd0b
Doesn't that look a lot better, coffee?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#456 Post by coffee » April 23rd, 2018, 5:36 pm

If that is what you like, that would be fine, for next time Alan.

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#457 Post by coffee » April 23rd, 2018, 6:18 pm

Britain hails new optimism about Brexit deal for financial services

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKBN1HU0YJ

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Brexit BOOST for UK economy as hotels experience bumper year in growth

BREXIT has boosted the UK tourism economy with hotels across the country seeing a high in occupancy rates and room revenue when it comes to overseas visitors despite the potential negative impact of terrorist attacks and EU uncertainty.

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articl ... my-tourism

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Rudd: EU registration easy as "setting up LK Bennett account"

http://www.cityam.com/284515/rudd-eu-re ... tt-account

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#458 Post by Nick » April 24th, 2018, 12:41 am

Alan H wrote:
Nick wrote:
Alan H wrote:So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?


So you think the EU will put up a hard border, then....?
Do you accept that there has to be a border between the EU and a third country?
There is still a border between any 2 countries, even within Schengen. That's what makes them 2 countries, not one. So, having answered yours, how about answering mine? :D

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#459 Post by Alan H » April 24th, 2018, 12:48 am

Nick wrote:
Alan H wrote:
Nick wrote:

So you think the EU will put up a hard border, then....?
Do you accept that there has to be a border between the EU and a third country?
There is still a border between any 2 countries, even within Schengen. That's what makes them 2 countries, not one. So, having answered yours, how about answering mine? :D
That was a silly response, Nick, and you know it.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#460 Post by Nick » April 24th, 2018, 1:10 am

animist wrote:
Nick wrote:
animist wrote:coffee, I do not recognise faith as one of the humanist principles which you like to codify.
Ahem! It was Alan, not coffee, who introduced "faith"
oh well, so what? Coffee needs to put his mouth where his pasties are, so he is now being challenged to SAY what he thinks by both Alan and me
Ok, I'll leave that to coffee.... :)
Nick wrote:
in a very cynical, unethical and unhumanistic way.
So why is free trade any of those things...?
I was saying that the Mog was these things, not free trade.
Oh! I don't think he is either cynical, nor unethical in a broad sense, though he would probably be horrified to be called humanist!
No, free trade is a good thing,
:thumbsup:
but like most things in life (as an economist, you will surely agree here) it has costs.
Political ones, not economic ones. And we don't let politics into economics, do we...? :wink:
If the cost in this situation includes a risk to peace in Ireland, then it is not worth the cost.
But who is it who is threatening peace? It's the EU's threat of erecting border posts and the latent of a revival of IRA violence.
The EU cannot really simply dump its whole customs union just because Britain on a whim decided on a venture without considering the implications.
So the EU would prefer an armed conflict than adjust its rules, which, you have already agreed, act against the best option- free trade. That is wht make Brussels so toxic. They have already (as if I need to remind you of this) chosen their own precious rules before the millions devastated in Souhern Europe.
But what I seriously wonder (and what Moggie might have been hinting at) is that Ireland and the EU just will not be able to enforce some hard border even if they want to because of the numbers of crossing-points on the border.
...any more than they could before.
More likely, and I think this has already been mooted, the EU will simply refuse any sort of trade deal with Britain unless the border issue is sorted out by Britain in a way acceptable to the EU and Ireland.
So, more bullying tactics. What pleasant friends you have!
This might well mean the separation of Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK, an ironic twist to the Brexit story
Are you seriously advocating the annexation of part of the UK against the wishes of the majority of the population?

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#461 Post by Nick » April 24th, 2018, 1:17 am

Alan H wrote:
Nick wrote:
Alan H wrote:Do you accept that there has to be a border between the EU and a third country?
There is still a border between any 2 countries, even within Schengen. That's what makes them 2 countries, not one. So, having answered yours, how about answering mine? :D
That was a silly response, Nick, and you know it.
It was a suitable response to a silly question. Of course, I could have said "What the fuck are you on about?" Would you have preferred that?

So you are not going to answer the question, then? Have it your way..... :penguin:

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