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#641 Post by coffee » May 19th, 2018, 12:24 pm

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coffee wrote: Migrants can illegally buy EU passports 'within hours', BBC find

https://www.westmonster.com/migrants-ca ... -bbc-find/

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 4593985537
point 1 - Britain is not in the Schengen area, so we do not have free travel arrangements with other EU countries. Point 2 - I dare say that forged UK passports are also available in Turkey etc if someone really wants one. Fortress Britain is never going to be the Rock of Ages :laughter:
Once they in the eu, they can go on to the uk.

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#642 Post by animist » May 19th, 2018, 1:06 pm

coffee wrote:
animist wrote:
coffee wrote: Migrants can illegally buy EU passports 'within hours', BBC find

https://www.westmonster.com/migrants-ca ... -bbc-find/

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 4593985537
point 1 - Britain is not in the Schengen area, so we do not have free travel arrangements with other EU countries. Point 2 - I dare say that forged UK passports are also available in Turkey etc if someone really wants one. Fortress Britain is never going to be the Rock of Ages :laughter:
Once they in the eu, they can go on to the uk.
ok, coffee, I think I understand. But the point I made is that, though we are still in the EU. we do not take part in the Schengen area,which allows free travel between its countries, and this is because we (the UK) are not in the Schengen area. Can you please focus on this fact

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#643 Post by Alan H » May 19th, 2018, 1:14 pm

animist wrote:
coffee wrote:
animist wrote:point 1 - Britain is not in the Schengen area, so we do not have free travel arrangements with other EU countries. Point 2 - I dare say that forged UK passports are also available in Turkey etc if someone really wants one. Fortress Britain is never going to be the Rock of Ages :laughter:
Once they in the eu, they can go on to the uk.
ok, coffee, I think I understand. But the point I made is that, though we are still in the EU. we do not take part in the Schengen area,which allows free travel between its countries, and this is because we (the UK) are not in the Schengen area. Can you please focus on this fact
And let's not forget that we have always had border and immigration controls and there were many additional immigration controls that the Tories never bothered to implement (despite their protestations about immigration), but which some other EU countries have.
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#644 Post by animist » May 19th, 2018, 2:34 pm

coffee wrote:
animist wrote:
coffee wrote: Migrants can illegally buy EU passports 'within hours', BBC find

https://www.westmonster.com/migrants-ca ... -bbc-find/

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 4593985537
point 1 - Britain is not in the Schengen area, so we do not have free travel arrangements with other EU countries. Point 2 - I dare say that forged UK passports are also available in Turkey etc if someone really wants one. Fortress Britain is never going to be the Rock of Ages :laughter:
Once they in the eu, they can go on to the uk.
probably yes. My point was that it is pretty easy to get into the UK directly, given a strong desire to so and the way that illicit markets operate. Is this really such a threat?

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#645 Post by coffee » May 19th, 2018, 4:20 pm

animist wrote:
coffee wrote:
animist wrote:point 1 - Britain is not in the Schengen area, so we do not have free travel arrangements with other EU countries. Point 2 - I dare say that forged UK passports are also available in Turkey etc if someone really wants one. Fortress Britain is never going to be the Rock of Ages :laughter:
Once they in the eu, they can go on to the uk.
probably yes. My point was that it is pretty easy to get into the UK directly, given a strong desire to so and the way that illicit markets operate. Is this really such a threat?
It is still a threat all the same, yes.

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#646 Post by Alan H » May 19th, 2018, 4:25 pm

coffee wrote:
animist wrote:
coffee wrote:
Once they in the eu, they can go on to the uk.
probably yes. My point was that it is pretty easy to get into the UK directly, given a strong desire to so and the way that illicit markets operate. Is this really such a threat?
It is still a threat all the same, yes.
A threat to what?
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#647 Post by coffee » May 19th, 2018, 5:12 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:
animist wrote:probably yes. My point was that it is pretty easy to get into the UK directly, given a strong desire to so and the way that illicit markets operate. Is this really such a threat?
It is still a threat all the same, yes.
A threat to what?
Having too many people and not enough resource.

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#648 Post by coffee » May 19th, 2018, 5:15 pm

And national security.

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#649 Post by Alan H » May 19th, 2018, 5:20 pm

coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:
It is still a threat all the same, yes.
A threat to what?
Having too many people and not enough resource.
Provide evidence, please. But first, read this: We are being lied to. UK already has powers to control migration – Govt. chooses not to use them as migration is good for the economy – brexit853
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#650 Post by coffee » May 19th, 2018, 5:57 pm

There are not enough houses to go around already and next there will be water.

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#651 Post by Alan H » May 19th, 2018, 6:30 pm

coffee wrote:There are not enough houses to go around already and next there will be water.
Please provide evidence there are not enough houses to go around, why you think that is the case and what these have to do with immigration, particularly given that EU immigrants are a net contributor to the economy.

Please provide evidence we will have not enough water and why that might happen.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#652 Post by coffee » May 19th, 2018, 6:43 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:There are not enough houses to go around already and next there will be water.
Please provide evidence there are not enough houses to go around, why you think that is the case and what these have to do with immigration, particularly given that EU immigrants are a net contributor to the economy.

Please provide evidence we will have not enough water and why that might happen.
Are migrants don't live in houses and use water? Does it mean everyone who want to come to the uk are allow to? Are you prepare to built new houses for migrants on green land? I am not.

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#653 Post by Alan H » May 19th, 2018, 6:56 pm

coffee wrote:
Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:There are not enough houses to go around already and next there will be water.
Please provide evidence there are not enough houses to go around, why you think that is the case and what these have to do with immigration, particularly given that EU immigrants are a net contributor to the economy.

Please provide evidence we will have not enough water and why that might happen.
Are migrants don't live in houses and use water?
Of course they do. What has that got to do with whether there are enough houses and water?
Does it mean everyone who want to come to the uk are allow to?
That's certainly not something I've said, but did you read what I said about the Tories not implementing the EU immigration rules they were perfectly entitled to?
Are you prepare to built new houses for migrants on green land? I am not.
Who said anything about building on green land?

These are all diversions, coffee: you first need to provide evidence for the claims you made - you have not even started to address them yet - then we can discuss where new houses might be built.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#654 Post by coffee » May 20th, 2018, 1:01 pm

Britons believe the monarchy will be a unifying force for the country after Brexit, according to a new poll: Brexit News for Sunday 20 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-20-may/

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EU on brink: Italy's new populist government puts Rome on COLLISION course with Brussels

EUROPE is holding its breath as Italian populist parties Lega and Five Star Movement reach the terms of a coalition deal set to put Italy on a collision course with the EU in a confrontational move defying the bloc's financial plans.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/96 ... -coalition

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'We shouldn't be frightened' Rees-Mogg warns EU will face 'MAJOR problem' if UK walks away

LEADING BREXITEER Jacob Rees-Mogg has claimed the UK should not be “frightened” to walk away from the European Union without a Brexit deal.

By DARREN HUNT

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/96193 ... -Rees-Mogg

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Told you so! Europe NEEDS tough migration laws to survive - Macron FINALLY admits

FRENCH President Emmanuel Macron has dealt a body-blow to the EU sacred cow of freedom of movement saying no new state should join the block without preconditions on migration.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/96 ... ans-summit

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#655 Post by Alan H » May 20th, 2018, 1:36 pm

coffee wrote:Britons believe the monarchy will be a unifying force for the country after Brexit, according to a new poll: Brexit News for Sunday 20 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... ay-20-may/
That is fucking hilarious and amply demonstrates the delusions of Brexiteers.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#656 Post by coffee » May 20th, 2018, 1:42 pm

Ireland’s Brexit strategy 'based on a BLUFF and a HOPE UK will remain in customs union'

IRELAND is attempting to bluff its way through the Brexit border talks and should face up to reality instead of continuing to play the European Union’s game, former ambassador Ray Bassett has warned.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/96191 ... n-politeia

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Brexit cod tariffs are 'ABSOLUTE PIFFLE' - UK will RECLAIM 'fish worth £32million'

CLAIMS that Britons will be subjected to tariffs on imports of cod as high as 18 per cent after Brexit are “absolute piffle" campaign group Fishing For Leave has declared, hitting out at a Dutch report.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/96122 ... -for-leave

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#657 Post by coffee » May 20th, 2018, 1:54 pm

ITALY: New coalition will look to deport 500,000 illegal migrants.

Big change is coming.

https://www.westmonster.com/italian-coa ... -migrants/

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 6148603904

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75% say monarchy important to future of the UK, highest support on record.

https://www.westmonster.com/75-say-mona ... on-record/

https://twitter.com/WestmonsterUK/statu ... 9604057088

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#658 Post by coffee » May 20th, 2018, 2:03 pm

Support for a second referendum has remained unchanged since a year ago with 37% backing the idea and 49% opposing it

Tories take four-point lead over Labour in latest survey

Brexit supporters appear more pleased with Theresa May than remainers are with Jeremy Corbyn


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... est-survey

https://twitter.com/BrexitCentral/statu ... 4654646272

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#659 Post by Alan H » May 20th, 2018, 2:04 pm

And thoughts on the questions I asked you, coffee?
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#660 Post by coffee » May 20th, 2018, 4:50 pm

Venezuela is a failed state as it goes to the polls. Inflation may reach 13,000 percent this year. Most folks are going hungry, infants are dying of starvation. No wonder John McDonnell now disclaims it’s a socialist nation.

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/998201529902432257

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#661 Post by Alan H » May 20th, 2018, 4:59 pm

coffee wrote:Venezuela is a failed state as it goes to the polls. Inflation may reach 13,000 percent this year. Most folks are going hungry, infants are dying of starvation. No wonder John McDonnell now disclaims it’s a socialist nation.

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/998201529902432257
ROFL! It's a corrupt government led by a corrupt Maduro that's the problem, coffee.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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