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Gay marriage consultation: 3 days to go

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Emma Woolgatherer
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Gay marriage consultation: 3 days to go

#1 Post by Emma Woolgatherer » June 11th, 2012, 2:43 pm

I got an email from the Peter Tatchell Foundation today, urging people to respond to the government's public consultation on legalising same-sex marriage, if they haven't done so already, before it closes on Thursday 14 June. It's very quick and easy to complete the questionnaire form. The Peter Tatchell Foundation website has a model submission that can be used to complete Question 16, if that helps at all. It is important, I think, that there should be as big a response to this consultation as possible, to counter the pressure from religious leaders and their supporters.

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#2 Post by Alan C. » June 11th, 2012, 4:29 pm

Done.
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#3 Post by thundril » June 11th, 2012, 4:47 pm

Done. Thanks, Emma!

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#4 Post by Fia » June 11th, 2012, 4:51 pm

Smug old me did it a while back :)

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#5 Post by getreal » June 11th, 2012, 7:42 pm

Completed :)
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#6 Post by Nick » June 11th, 2012, 11:11 pm

Me too. :D

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#7 Post by Alan H » June 12th, 2012, 12:56 am

The CofE have submitted their response: Anglicans threaten rift with government over gay marriage
Church says introducing same-sex marriage legislation could lead to it being forced out of traditional wedding role
I hadn't realised this:
Under the current law, anyone who is resident in England has a legal right to marry in his or her CofE parish church irrespective of religious affiliation. About a quarter of weddings in England take place in CofE churches.
This would appear to be why they think that gay marriages will be forced on them and that any opt out (they think) would nor survive a legal challenge on equality grounds.

ISTM that the pragmatic solution is to remove the CofE's role of providing marriages on behalf of the state. They could, presumably, still be allowed to conduct their own marriages (as other religions do), just that the right for anyone to demand a church marriage would be removed.
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#8 Post by Tetenterre » June 12th, 2012, 8:17 am

Just completed the survey.

Didn't realise until I heard the news this morning that the religious bigots think legalisation of gay marriage could ultimately mean the disestablishment of the CofE -- an unintended benefit, IMNSVHO.
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#9 Post by Nick » June 12th, 2012, 8:37 am

Alan H wrote:The CofE have submitted their response: Anglicans threaten rift with government over gay marriage
Church says introducing same-sex marriage legislation could lead to it being forced out of traditional wedding role
I hadn't realised this:
Under the current law, anyone who is resident in England has a legal right to marry in his or her CofE parish church irrespective of religious affiliation. About a quarter of weddings in England take place in CofE churches.
This would appear to be why they think that gay marriages will be forced on them and that any opt out (they think) would nor survive a legal challenge on equality grounds.

ISTM that the pragmatic solution is to remove the CofE's role of providing marriages on behalf of the state. They could, presumably, still be allowed to conduct their own marriages (as other religions do), just that the right for anyone to demand a church marriage would be removed.
I think I am right in saying that in various other countries, (Germany for instance) a civil ceremony is required, even if you have a church wedding. At the moment, the C of E is effectively undertaking that work on behalf of the state. IMO, the legal status of marriage is distinct from any religious notion of marriage. I'm happy for the C of E to act on the states behalf, as they do now, but if they want to restrict church weddings, I don't have a problem with that.

I'm slightly surprised by the claim, Alan. Doesn't the vicar or rector have the power and/or the duty to "prepare" the couple for marriage? If he deems them unsuitable, does he have to marry them even so?

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#10 Post by jaywhat » June 12th, 2012, 9:04 am

done

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#11 Post by Alan H » June 12th, 2012, 11:26 am

Paolo has written about it on his blog today: Church of England upset by possibility of equal marriage
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#12 Post by Boxertwin » June 12th, 2012, 1:47 pm

Done.... :smile:
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#13 Post by Alan C. » June 17th, 2012, 8:18 pm

Interesting stats, there is a poll on shetlink which is showing,
Should Same-sex marriage be made Legal
Yes 64%

no 35%
And in the Scotsman,
Gay religious weddings ‘supported by 68% of Scots’
I thought the Shetland yes vote would have been higher, still; it's not far off the Mainland figure.
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#14 Post by Nick » June 18th, 2012, 10:11 am

As Scotsmen wear skirts, it can sometimes be hard to tell anyway.....





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#15 Post by Alan C. » June 18th, 2012, 8:39 pm

Nick wrote:As Scotsmen wear skirts, it can sometimes be hard to tell anyway.....





:exit:
Most of the bigots that are against it wear outlandish dresses and royal Ascot hats :)
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#16 Post by Alan H » July 1st, 2012, 1:03 am

France to legalise gay marriage in 2013
France's new Socialist government will pass a law legalising gay marriage and granting gay couples the same rights as any married couple in 2013, the country's junior minister for family said Friday.
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2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
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#17 Post by Fia » July 1st, 2012, 1:07 am

:happyclappy: Viva la France :party:

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#18 Post by Nick » July 1st, 2012, 1:56 am

I'm pleased for all our gay and lesbian neighbours, but I wouldn't go that far, Fia..... :wink:

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#19 Post by Fia » July 1st, 2012, 2:12 am

Rise above the knee-jerk English dislike of our near neighbours and you could Nick :)

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#20 Post by Nick » July 1st, 2012, 2:18 am

It's not knee-jerk, it's after much deep thought..... :D

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