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Are you sure that's the right emoticon, Steve?stevenw888 wrote: +1!
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Are you sure that's the right emoticon, Steve?stevenw888 wrote: +1!
The Bible has literary merit, as well as wisdom (e.g. Proverbs). Just because it is old it doesn't mean that it is not worth discussing. Compass Direct News features many stories of Christians enduring persecution and still remaining Christian. It takes courage to do that. They may be mistaken in their worldview but they are certainly dedicated to being Christians.stevenw888 wrote:It is not worth discussing the bible. It is a book, written by primitive people, almost 2,000 years ago and written many years after the so called "events" had taken place.
Its not even worthy of discussion. We would be far better spending our time discussing in depth, the book "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, written only 36 years ago by a learned scholar. This book is my "bible" - the book I turn to when I want answers to seemingly unanswerable questions. Stop wasting time discussing the bible - it is a pointless exercise.
Christians began persecuting pagans once Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. When European Christians colonised the North and South America and Australia and parts of Asia they killed lots of non-Christians.Dave B wrote:Is martyrdom for faith a purely Christian thing? Were there no Muslims, Buddhists and (especially) Jews who defended their personal faith to the point of death?
If it had not been for the fact that the Romans had a gruesome taste in entertainment I wonder if the concept of the "persecuted Christian" would be such an example. Betcha they slaughtered those of many other faiths.
Now, you have to be careful here, Compo, they feel that they were justified in killing those heathens. If they would not convert to Christianity then, so far as the Christians were concerned, it was better to put them to death rather than allow their immortal souls to accumulate more sin and a longer roasting in Purgatory.When European Christians colonised the North and South America and Australia and parts of Asia they killed lots of non-Christians.
I am afraid non-Christians don't go to Purgatory - they go to Hell for eternity. Looks like we will have an eternity together!Dave B wrote:Now, you have to be careful here, Compo, they feel that they were justified in killing those heathens. If they would not convert to Christianity then, so far as the Christians were concerned, it was better to put them to death rather than allow their immortal souls to accumulate more sin and a longer roasting in Purgatory.When European Christians colonised the North and South America and Australia and parts of Asia they killed lots of non-Christians.
So there!
that's the ultimate TH meetup then? Better start planning now!Compassionist wrote:I am afraid non-Christians don't go to Purgatory - they go to Hell for eternity. Looks like we will have an eternity together!
Oh, yeah, forgot that! No purging for us then? Shame!Compassionist wrote:I am afraid non-Christians don't go to Purgatory - they go to Hell for eternity. Looks like we will have an eternity together!Dave B wrote:Now, you have to be careful here, Compo, they feel that they were justified in killing those heathens. If they would not convert to Christianity then, so far as the Christians were concerned, it was better to put them to death rather than allow their immortal souls to accumulate more sin and a longer roasting in Purgatory.When European Christians colonised the North and South America and Australia and parts of Asia they killed lots of non-Christians.
So there!
Yes, indeed. Purgatory is a Roman Catholic concept. There is no Biblical basis for it. Protestants don't believe in Purgatory - just eternal Heaven (for the born-again Christians) and eternal Hell (for everyone else). I am puzzled by the fact that even born-again Christians do everything possible to prolong life and are opposed to euthanasia. I would have thought they would want to get to Heaven as soon as possible!Dave B wrote:Oh, yeah, forgot that! No purging for us then? Shame!Compassionist wrote: I am afraid non-Christians don't go to Purgatory - they go to Hell for eternity. Looks like we will have an eternity together!
http://www.quotecounterquote.com/2011/1 ... n-but.htmlCompassionist wrote: I am puzzled by the fact that even born-again Christians do everything possible to prolong life and are opposed to euthanasia. I would have thought they would want to get to Heaven as soon as possible!
animist wrote:http://www.quotecounterquote.com/2011/1 ... n-but.htmlCompassionist wrote: I am puzzled by the fact that even born-again Christians do everything possible to prolong life and are opposed to euthanasia. I would have thought they would want to get to Heaven as soon as possible!
This Christian website said the following:Alan C. wrote:Compo, nobody knows who wrote the new testament (even the Catholic encyclopedia admits this) What we do know is that it wasn't written until 70 to 100 years after Jesus' supposed existence, so none of the writers could have met him.Matthew, John and Peter (all of whom contributed to the New Testament) said they met Jesus and witnessed his miracles and resurrection.
Your friend needs to read some books (other than his bible)
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I don't know what evidence they have to support the claimed authorships and the times. They didn't state any evidence.Question: "Who were the authors of the books of the Bible?"
Answer: Ultimately, above the human authors, the Bible was written by God. Second Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Bible was “breathed out” by God. God superintended the human authors of the Bible so that, while using their own writing styles and personalities, they still recorded exactly what God intended. The Bible was not dictated by God, but it was perfectly guided and entirely inspired by Him.
Humanly speaking, the Bible was written by approximately 40 men of diverse backgrounds over the course of 1500 years. Isaiah was a prophet, Ezra was a priest, Matthew was a tax-collector, John was a fisherman, Paul was a tentmaker, Moses was a shepherd, Luke was a physician. Despite being penned by different authors over 15 centuries, the Bible does not contradict itself and does not contain any errors. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation—Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Few of the books of the Bible specifically name their author. Here are the books of the Bible along with the name of who is most assumed by biblical scholars to be the author, along with the approximate date of authorship:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Joshua = Joshua - 1350 B.C.
Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel = Samuel/Nathan/Gad - 1000 - 900 B.C.
1 Kings, 2 Kings = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah = Ezra - 450 B.C.
Esther = Mordecai - 400 B.C.
Job = Moses - 1400 B.C.
Psalms = several different authors, mostly David - 1000 - 400 B.C.
Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon = Solomon - 900 B.C.
Isaiah = Isaiah - 700 B.C.
Jeremiah, Lamentations = Jeremiah - 600 B.C.
Ezekiel = Ezekiel - 550 B.C.
Daniel = Daniel - 550 B.C.
Hosea = Hosea - 750 B.C.
Joel = Joel - 850 B.C.
Amos = Amos - 750 B.C.
Obadiah = Obadiah - 600 B.C.
Jonah = Jonah - 700 B.C.
Micah = Micah - 700 B.C.
Nahum = Nahum - 650 B.C.
Habakkuk = Habakkuk - 600 B.C.
Zephaniah = Zephaniah - 650 B.C.
Haggai = Haggai - 520 B.C.
Zechariah = Zechariah - 500 B.C.
Malachi = Malachi - 430 B.C.
Matthew = Matthew - A.D. 55
Mark = John Mark - A.D. 50
Luke = Luke - A.D. 60
John = John - A.D. 90
Acts = Luke - A.D. 65
Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon = Paul - A.D. 50-70
Hebrews = unknown, mostly likely Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos - A.D. 65
James = James - A.D. 45
1 Peter, 2 Peter = Peter - A.D. 60
1 John, 2 John, 3 John = John - A.D. 90
Jude = Jude - A.D. 60
Revelation = John - A.D. 90
Recommended Resource: The Quest Study Bible.
Well it is also called the gospel.we trust God that His Word is truth and that there is a solution that just simply has not been realized yet
so you have to make them see that they are doing this by demanding that they give at least someone reason for their beliefs - and for their certaintyCompassionist wrote:First, they assume that the Bible is God's Words and then they assume that the words are infallible because they are allegedly God's Words. Circular and presumptive irrational reasoning! They are impossible to reason with because they just assert their assumptions as facts.