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I'm 13% Seventh Day Adventist. Great.

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I'm 13% Seventh Day Adventist. Great.

#1 Post by Maria Mac » February 7th, 2008, 4:19 pm

The Belief.net quiz only takes a couple of minutes. These are how my beliefs break down, apparently. :puzzled:

I suppose I should be relieved that I scored 0% Jehovah's Witness.

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (93%)
3. Nontheist (81%)
4. Liberal Quakers (73%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (67%)
6. Neo-Pagan (65%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (60%)
8. Taoism (51%)
9. New Age (47%)
10. Reform Judaism (45%)
11. Orthodox Quaker (34%)
12. Mahayana Buddhism (33%)
13. Baha'i Faith (31%)
14. Sikhism (31%)
15. Scientology (31%)
16. New Thought (28%)
17. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (25%)
18. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (21%)
19. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (19%)
20. Jainism (17%)
21. Eastern Orthodox (15%)
22. Islam (15%)
23. Orthodox Judaism (15%)
24. Roman Catholic (15%)
25. Seventh Day Adventist (13%)
26. Hinduism (6%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (0%)

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#2 Post by jaywhat » February 7th, 2008, 4:38 pm

What bollocks, Maria. I am 40% Scientologist!
I did not know how to answer most of the questions - there was no answer for me.
I feel sick and ill and now have to have glass of (medicinal) wine earlier than usual.

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#3 Post by Alan C. » February 7th, 2008, 5:05 pm

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Nontheist (93%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (92%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (82%)
5. Liberal Quakers (70%)
6. Neo-Pagan (57%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (53%)
8. Taoism (50%)
9. Mahayana Buddhism (43%)
10. New Age (42%)
11. Orthodox Quaker (40%)
12. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (35%)
13. New Thought (35%)
14. Reform Judaism (35%)
15. Scientology (35%)
16. Bahá'í Faith (33%)
17. Jainism (33%)
18. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (30%)
19. Islam (28%)
20. Orthodox Judaism (28%)
21. Sikhism (26%)
22. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (15%)
23. Eastern Orthodox (15%)
24. Hinduism (15%)
25. Roman Catholic (15%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (10%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (7%)

A bit silly is it not? Surely the top score cancels out all the rest.
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#4 Post by Maria Mac » February 7th, 2008, 6:10 pm

Yes, I agree it's bollocks. That's why I put it in the social club rather than anywhere in the Lyceum.

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#5 Post by Fia » February 7th, 2008, 9:38 pm

Even a diyscalculic (thanks for definition, Alan) like me can work out if I'm 100% Humanist then you can't fit any more in the pot :deadhorse:

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#6 Post by Alan C. » February 7th, 2008, 10:02 pm

Fia wrote:Even a diyscalculic (thanks for definition, Alan) like me can work out if I'm 100% Humanist then you can't fit any more in the pot :deadhorse:
You said it better than I did Fia, if I disregard the 100% Secular Humanist, that makes me a nontheist with a 7% leaning to the JWs :laughter:
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#7 Post by Nick » February 7th, 2008, 10:34 pm

Whatever happened to dear old C of E? :shrug:

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#8 Post by para handy » February 8th, 2008, 3:33 pm

Alan C. wrote: A bit silly is it not? Surely the top score cancels out all the rest.
Fia wrote:Even a diyscalculic (thanks for definition, Alan) like me can work out if I'm 100% Humanist then you can't fit any more in the pot :deadhorse:
That's looking at it the wrong way round. What it's purportedly telling us is the extent to which our views accord with various religions - not how each individual breaks down percentage wise in terms of their religious make-up. The views held by secular humanists are not totally exclusive to secular humanists, they overlap with other religions. So although your views accord 100% with secular humanism, it's possible that something you believe will also be a belief held by the JWs and that gives you the score of 7%. This means that of all the things JWs believe, you only agree with 7% of it.

I wouldn't worry too much about that - I scored exactly the same. :grin:

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#9 Post by Alan H » February 8th, 2008, 8:46 pm

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (90%)
3. Nontheist (82%)
4. Liberal Quakers (73%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (67%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (61%)
7. Neo-Pagan (61%)
8. Reform Judaism (47%)
9. Taoism (47%)
10. New Age (44%)
11. Orthodox Quaker (34%)
12. Sikhism (34%)
13. Mahayana Buddhism (33%)
14. Scientology (33%)
15. New Thought (30%)
16. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (27%)
17. Seventh Day Adventist (25%)
18. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (23%)
19. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (22%)
20. Bahá'í Faith (20%)
21. Hinduism (20%)
22. Jainism (18%)
23. Eastern Orthodox (17%)
24. Islam (17%)
25. Orthodox Judaism (17%)
26. Roman Catholic (17%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (13%)
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#10 Post by Alan H » February 8th, 2008, 8:47 pm

Nick wrote:Whatever happened to dear old C of E? :shrug:
Do they fall into the 'Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants' or 'Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant' category?
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#11 Post by Fia » February 8th, 2008, 8:57 pm

Of course, Para - I see now, thanks for the enlightenment :)
para handy wrote:This means that of all the things JWs believe, you only agree with 7% of it.
It shows what we have in common, so 7% is better than nothing.

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#12 Post by Alan C. » February 8th, 2008, 11:19 pm

Fia wrote:Of course, Para - I see now, thanks for the enlightenment :)
para handy wrote:This means that of all the things JWs believe, you only agree with 7% of it.
It shows what we have in common, so 7% is better than nothing.
As a blood donor and recipient, I do hope the transfusion problem doesn't fall in with this 7% :grin:
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#13 Post by ComradeDX » February 9th, 2008, 2:49 pm

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (92%)
3. Nontheist (82%)
4. Liberal Quakers (77%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (72%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (67%)
7. Neo-Pagan (63%)
8. Taoism (55%)
9. Reform Judaism (53%)
10. New Age (52%)
11. Mahayana Buddhism (43%)
12. Scientology (41%)
13. Orthodox Quaker (39%)
14. New Thought (39%)
15. Sikhism (35%)
16. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (33%)
17. Bahá'í Faith (32%)
18. Jainism (31%)
19. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (28%)
20. Seventh Day Adventist (25%)
21. Islam (22%)
22. Orthodox Judaism (22%)
23. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (21%)
24. Hinduism (21%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (13%)
26. Roman Catholic (13%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (9%)

I'm 9% Jehovahs witness apparently
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#14 Post by Heurismus » February 16th, 2008, 5:03 pm

1. Nontheist (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (100%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (86%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (65%)
5. Liberal Quakers (49%)
6. Neo-Pagan (29%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (26%)
8. Taoism (16%)
9. New Age (8%)
10. Bahá'í Faith (0%)
11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (0%)
12. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (0%)
13. Eastern Orthodox (0%)
14. Hinduism (0%)
15. Islam (0%)
16. Jainism (0%)
17. Jehovah's Witness (0%)
18. Mahayana Buddhism (0%)
19. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (0%)
20. New Thought (0%)
21. Orthodox Judaism (0%)
22. Orthodox Quaker (0%)
23. Reform Judaism (0%)
24. Roman Catholic (0%)
25. Scientology (0%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (0%)
27. Sikhism (0%)

Well I suppose it's conclusive I have my own religion. HEURISTIC RATIONALISM and it's about time I gathered twelve furry little animals together so we can groove together with a Pict in a cave somewhere. Anyone like to join?
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#15 Post by Alan C. » February 16th, 2008, 5:50 pm

18 zero's Heurismus, very impressive, I couldn't manage to get one!
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#16 Post by Heurismus » February 16th, 2008, 6:40 pm

Alan C. wrote:18 zero's Heurismus, very impressive, I couldn't manage to get one!
:laughter:

Don't worry, when you're as near to Goldfishhead as I am, people like Foucault RIGB start praying in my direction. They still haven't paid me those tithes I've been expecting but I'm sure if I wait long enough, there truly will be a secular religion created in my image. I have yet to work on my scriptures but when I finally get round to a website all shall be revealed. :wink:

But seriously, I didn't alter the results, that's the way they came out, and I was surprised at some of the other results too.
Now I'm wondering, should my first missive demand my followers eat coeleacanth and chips on a wednesday?
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#17 Post by Alan H » February 19th, 2008, 10:59 pm

Heurismus wrote:Don't worry, when you're as near to Goldfishhead as I am, people like Foucault RIGB start praying in my direction. They still haven't paid me those tithes I've been expecting but I'm sure if I wait long enough, there truly will be a secular religion created in my image. I have yet to work on my scriptures but when I finally get round to a website all shall be revealed.
Sorry, I don't understand one word of the first sentence!
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1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#18 Post by Emma Woolgatherer » February 28th, 2008, 9:05 am

1. Nontheist (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (100%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (86%)
4. Theravada Buddhism (65%)
5. Liberal Quakers (49%)
6. Neo-Pagan (29%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (26%)
8. Taoism (16%)
9. New Age (8%)
10. Bahá'í Faith (0%)
11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (0%)
...
27. Sikhism (0%)

The trick to getting all those 0%s is to answer "Not Applicable" to all the questions in the section introduced by the instruction "Respond to the following moral statements (Questions 13-20) based on how you would want your religion or faith category to address them" (their emphasis). I don't want my religion or faith category to address those questions, because I don't have a religion or faith category, and even if it were reworded to "belief category" I wouldn't want Humanism as a category to address those questions; I believe they should be left up to individuals, and decided democratically within societies where necessary. So "Not Applicable" is accurate.

Also, to be fair to Belief-O-Matic, it is not suggesting that you are 13% Seventh Day Adventist, or whatever. It makes it pretty clear, I thought, on the results page, when it says: "Belief-O-Matic then lists another 26 faiths in order of how much they have in common with your professed beliefs. The higher a faith appears on this list, the more closely it aligns with your thinking" (my emphasis).

On that basis, I'm not too unhappy with the results. Although I was surprised to see Theravada Buddhism so high up.

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#19 Post by Maria Mac » February 28th, 2008, 9:46 am

Hi Emma
Emma W wrote:
The trick to getting all those 0%s is to answer "Not Applicable" to all the questions in the section introduced by the instruction "Respond to the following moral statements (Questions 13-20) based on how you would want your religion or faith category to address them" (their emphasis). I don't want my religion or faith category to address those questions, because I don't have a religion or faith category,

It may be technically accurate that we don't have a religion or faith but to me it seems a bit pedantic for the purpose of this quiz which, after all, is just bit of fun.
and even if it were reworded to "belief category" I wouldn't want Humanism as a category to address those questions; I believe they should be left up to individuals, and decided democratically within societies where necessary. So "Not Applicable" is accurate.
I have to disagree with you. I think "humanism as a category" does already address the majority of those questions. I don't see how regarding homosexual behaviour as immoral, or restricting/punishing divorce or favouring prayer and spiritual healing "to the exclusion of conventional health treatment" can be reconciled with humanist principles.
Also, to be fair to Belief-O-Matic, it is not suggesting that you are 13% Seventh Day Adventist, or whatever. It makes it pretty clear, I thought, on the results page, when it says: "Belief-O-Matic then lists another 26 faiths in order of how much they have in common with your professed beliefs. The higher a faith appears on this list, the more closely it aligns with your thinking" (my emphasis).
I know. I deliberately worded the thread title mendaciously to attract attention. :wink:

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#20 Post by Emma Woolgatherer » February 28th, 2008, 11:56 am

Maria wrote:
It may be technically accurate that we don't have a religion or faith but to me it seems a bit pedantic for the purpose of this quiz which, after all, is just bit of fun.
For me, the fact that humanism is not a religion or faith is so important that it's worth being irritatingly pedantic about. Besides, in my experience it is perfectly possible to have a bit of fun while being pedantic. Though I admit I have always had great difficulty convincing anyone else of that ... :shrug:
I think "humanism as a category" does already address the majority of those questions. I don't see how regarding homosexual behaviour as immoral, or restricting/punishing divorce or favouring prayer and spiritual healing "to the exclusion of conventional health treatment" can be reconciled with humanist principles.
It's difficult to see how they could be reconciled, I admit. But humanist principles are not carved in stone. Individual humanists and humanist groups can and do from time to time produce a list of such principles, but they vary quite a bit, and they don't carry any real authority. Because there is no humanist authority, and that's very important, I think. It makes humanism a very different type of belief category from the religions. As a group of humanists we may agree that a particular behaviour is immoral or acceptable, but we don't do that because Humanism (or the BHA, or the IHEU, or a particular book or document ...) tells us to; we do it on the basis of reason, experience, compassion, etc. To me, that's a significant distinction. And it allows for variation. It allows for a humanist to believe that abortion is immoral, or that capital punishment is acceptable, or that the state should not provide social security ... or a host of other things that I may vehemently disagree with. And even though I find it hard to imagine any humanist believing that homosexuality is immoral or "out of harmony" in this day and age, I can believe that there were humanists (worthy of the name) who thought that in the past, on the basis of the shared values of the time. And if we were to meet such a humanist today, we wouldn't simply say, "How can you believe that? It's against humanist principles," would we? We would use reasoned argument to persuade him/her to change his/her mind.

My beliefs about abortion, homosexuality, divorce, etc., haven't changed since I became a humanist. In fact, I haven't become a humanist; I've merely recognised that the word fits me rather well. For me, it's descriptive rather than prescriptive. And in my view, if we start wanting humanism to address specific questions like the ones in the quiz, then we're trying to turn humanism into something that is prescriptive -- in other words, something very much like a religion.
I deliberately worded the thread title mendaciously to attract attention.
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