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Facts and Theories
Facts and Theories
I came across this blog entry about facts and theories in science, which I thought was quite good, so thought I'd share it with you.
http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2008/1 ... y-and-law/
http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2008/1 ... y-and-law/
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that is very interesting and instructive (and it reminds me of how I anyway got into a bit of a pickle in trying to discuss moral "facts", if any); it is especially clever to point out that our colloquial views of the status of the four types of statement are the near reverse of the scientific one. The "moral" here seems to be, while the words "true" or "false" could probably be applied in principle to all four types of statement, there are no absolutely certain statements in science. Or am I confusing things again?
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Thanks Nick. That is a clear explanation for those who are always telling me that "evolution is just a theory - they are just guessing." I have run into this quite frequently here in the Bible Belt.
"The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge." Bertrand Russell
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Oh, I despair of it all -- after both learning there's a bible belt in Canada (we always hope you're so much better than we are) and reading a clear, fairly complete explanation of the terms and their uses (but I can't give people the url, as there are too many large, complicated words, like colloquial -- and worse, once we're talking science -- that are outside the vocabulary cap most Americans who make that "just a theory" comment can understand.) I had a 20 year old just last week tell me that Darwin's theory of evolution was wrong. He knew all the buzzwords from the intelligent design side (even multi-syllabic ones, although I'm not certain he understood them) and was sublimely confident in his opinion.
We do our best to provide the information, but they really don't intend to read it.
Dasha
We do our best to provide the information, but they really don't intend to read it.
Dasha
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I'm curious what the Canadian Bible Belt is; I don't think there is such in the UK, though there may be a Koran constellation formed by various major conurbations. Dasha, welcome to TH, and I wonder whether you could develop a strategy to undermine this superficial confidence in the person you mention: maybe on the basis of Occam's Razor and the fact that science continually solves problems previously thought to be incapable of solution
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Hello, Dasha! Great to see you here!
I gather that the Canadian Bible Belt isn't really a belt. According to the Wikipedia entry, "the term is also sometimes used to describe several disparate regions which have a higher than average level of church attendance. These include the majority of rural southern Alberta and Saskatchewan, parts of southern Manitoba, the rural and more traditional parts of the Fraser Valley of British Columbia, the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia and the Saint John River Valley of New Brunswick". Not sure whereabouts Sel is living. But we had another visitor to Think Humanism who had lived in Alberta, but had left "to escape the bass ackwards mindsets over there" (see this thread).
I was similarly rather saddened to read that the Netherlands has a Bible Belt, or as they say over there, De Bijbelgordel.
And there's a Bible Belt of sorts in Northern Ireland, of course. We had a Think Humanism visitor a couple of years ago who lived there. See this thread. She was from Ballymena, which is apparently known as the buckle of Northern Ireland's Bible Belt. I don't think there's a Bible Belt anywhere else in the UK, fortunately. But according to this map, Milton Keynes (red splodge northwest of London) might qualify as the buckle in the Heathen Belt.
Emma
I gather that the Canadian Bible Belt isn't really a belt. According to the Wikipedia entry, "the term is also sometimes used to describe several disparate regions which have a higher than average level of church attendance. These include the majority of rural southern Alberta and Saskatchewan, parts of southern Manitoba, the rural and more traditional parts of the Fraser Valley of British Columbia, the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia and the Saint John River Valley of New Brunswick". Not sure whereabouts Sel is living. But we had another visitor to Think Humanism who had lived in Alberta, but had left "to escape the bass ackwards mindsets over there" (see this thread).
I was similarly rather saddened to read that the Netherlands has a Bible Belt, or as they say over there, De Bijbelgordel.
And there's a Bible Belt of sorts in Northern Ireland, of course. We had a Think Humanism visitor a couple of years ago who lived there. See this thread. She was from Ballymena, which is apparently known as the buckle of Northern Ireland's Bible Belt. I don't think there's a Bible Belt anywhere else in the UK, fortunately. But according to this map, Milton Keynes (red splodge northwest of London) might qualify as the buckle in the Heathen Belt.
Emma
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Just a silly thought whose trousers are the bible belts holding up
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Or not, as the case may be.ludite wrote:Just a silly thought whose trousers are the bible belts holding up
Alan Henness
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:
1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?
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I am in Alberta. This Bible Belt is very serious stuff. A few weeks ago I attended a lecture at the Rocky Mountain Calvary Tabernacle titled "Why Genesis is true - the Proof". By the end, my head hurt from trying not to jump up and yell at the standing room only crowd to wake up. The minister told them to be sure to remind their children that their teachers lie to them constantly.
At another lecture by a Tyrrell Museum paleontologist, I learned that Alberta scores about the same as the US in general when polled about acceptance of the Theory of Evolution. Of course the US splits greatly between the North and the South. The following poll does not show Canada and I have not been able to find the required resource. I will keep looking.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 89x5015035
At another lecture by a Tyrrell Museum paleontologist, I learned that Alberta scores about the same as the US in general when polled about acceptance of the Theory of Evolution. Of course the US splits greatly between the North and the South. The following poll does not show Canada and I have not been able to find the required resource. I will keep looking.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 89x5015035
"The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge." Bertrand Russell
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Let me add that the latest Angus Reid Poll in 2010 shows 61% of Canadians accepting evolution - Great Britain 68%. Alberta shows only 50% accepting evolution.
"The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge." Bertrand Russell
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In your link to the religious density in England, Emma, I was intrigued by that little tongue of red that extrudes from Bristol. Be interesting to look into that. That a city have a religious "character", or a heathen one for that matter, I can understand, but a little strip of land like that?
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
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Confidence that arises out of ignorance and moral certitude is hard to shake, and I only saw the kid for one class over the semester. I'm hoping that by assigning the need to learn the definitions of scientific theory and reliable source, and stressing the need to at least look behind the name or site for political agenda, a seed may take root in some of the students, maybe even this guy, as otherwise he seemed reasonably intelligent. Next semester, I'm sure I'll have more like him.
Dasha
Dasha
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anddasha wrote:Confidence that arises out of ignorance [...] is hard to shake
I like those.dasha wrote:Confidence [...] arises out of ignorance
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no idea, but I bet they're holeyludite wrote:Just a silly thought whose trousers are the bible belts holding up
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this article covers the status of evolution as fact or theory, and of the nature of fact and faith
http://www.philosophynow.org/issue84/The_Facts_of_Life
http://www.philosophynow.org/issue84/The_Facts_of_Life
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Might be interesting to subscribers, animist, but . . .
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
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but? but? it it there now?Dave B wrote:Might be interesting to subscribers, animist, but . . .
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Ah, got the attachment, is that the same as the link (to a subscriber only site)?
Later: hmm, does look interesting, I have a pile of once used paper so I will print it out and read at leisure (and comfort!).
Ta.
Later: hmm, does look interesting, I have a pile of once used paper so I will print it out and read at leisure (and comfort!).
Ta.
"Look forward; yesterday was a lesson, if you did not learn from it you wasted it."
Me, 2015
Me, 2015
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The great thing about science, is that if the facts change, then so do the hypotheses, which are always open to challenge. We have recently seen this with the challenge to Relativity, though I'm inclined to think there is a problem with the measurements, rather than the theory.
It seems I am not alone. I could explain it to you, but.... (well, actually, I couldn't, so....) here is a particularly useful summary of the latest scientific thought on the matter, which even the most stupid of us should understand (once you get passed the title, that is...)
Here it is!
It seems I am not alone. I could explain it to you, but.... (well, actually, I couldn't, so....) here is a particularly useful summary of the latest scientific thought on the matter, which even the most stupid of us should understand (once you get passed the title, that is...)
Here it is!