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Themistocles? He missed oak lees.Henniken Penniken: Mobile convenience south of Brussels.
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Themistocles? He missed oak lees.if we are going to follow the rule that TNT mentioned a week or two ago, this would be Ennikinsy Pen Nik Insyanimist wrote:metal container goes down in flames - Hennikinsy Pen Nik Insy
sorry, good try but nowhere near [you patronising prat, animist], have another shot - it is a very common combination of metal and container, and the heat also involves lightTetenterreme wrote:"<something>urn Crash And Burn"?
yes, and yes it does! What's a stress difference matter??Emma Woolgatherer wrote:If it's
incanDEScent tin can desCENT
then it doesn't rhyme!
that's true about pronunciation; we should say that it is a visual rhyme, but I think on this one I said it over to myself so many times (while grinning) that I convinced myself it was a real if eccentric rhymeTetenterre wrote:With the way I talk its a case of dess vs deess.
Anyway, I think Emma has a valid point. However, could we contrive away of indicating when the rhyme is visual but not audible?
I think it's your go, Emma...
I notice that the examples of stress mismatches are all mine - so do you always make sure that your stresses as well as your vowel sounds match? I imagine somehow that you do . "Handle a bra candelabra" - I see what you mean, but I suppose I feel that the slight mismatch makes for comic effect - the tin can one was a descent too far, I agree! Maybe you should give a mark out of ten each timeEmma Woolgatherer wrote:The stress difference doesn't necessarily matter on its own. MancUnian bAnk union worked fine, because the stress difference wasn't huge, and the vowel sounds matched. It would work in a poem, and especially in a song, where stresses tend to get flattened out by the imposed rhythm of the tune. In this case, though, there's a much greater stress difference, such that each unstressed vowel becomes a schwa (ə), which doesn't match the corresponding vowel sound in the other part of the rhyme. So it wouldn't work in a poem or a song. When both syllables are unstressed it doesn't matter if the vowels are different (as in "Boris cope horoscope"), but there's no way an unstressed "əss" rhymes with a stressed "ess", or an unstressed "ənt" rhymes with a stressed "ent". We had the same problem with "Handle a bra candelabra", where we have an unstressed ə failing twice to rhyme with a stressed ah. And before that there was "Drop a cat a petal, Popocatépetl", but the way most of us mispronounce the last word actually gives us a perfect rhyme.
I confess I've been quite lax about all this hitherto. But I think it's worth considering, as it does make clues much harder to get.
Emma