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Latest economic data makes a mockery of George Osborne’s Project Fear: Brexit News for Wednesday 18 AprilWestmonster is well named - it is a monster of lies and irrelevant propaganda. So a spat between two countries which have a long history of antagonism is somehow relevant to Brexit. How? The Leave campaign lied on many issues, but one of the worst lies concerned Turkish entry to the EU. Britain, if we stayed in the EU, could have vetoed any such application to join, but somehow the mere thought of Turkey joining was used as a reason to Brexit - added to which was the suggestion that Syria and Iraq were next on the list!coffee wrote:Michael Heaver
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EU still funnelling money to Turkey to join the Brussels bloc, German Minister still talking up prospect.
Meanwhile Turkish fighter jets have harassed the Greek PM’s helicopter.
Welcome to the EU nuthouse.
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animist wrote:Westmonster is well named - it is a monster of lies and irrelevant propaganda. So a spat between two countries which have a long history of antagonism is somehow relevant to Brexit. How? The Leave campaign lied on many issues, but one of the worst lies concerned Turkish entry to the EU. Britain, if we stayed in the EU, could have vetoed any such application to join, but somehow the mere thought of Turkey joining was used as a reason to Brexit - added to which was the suggestion that Syria and Iraq were next on the list!coffee wrote:Michael Heaver
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EU still funnelling money to Turkey to join the Brussels bloc, German Minister still talking up prospect.
Meanwhile Turkish fighter jets have harassed the Greek PM’s helicopter.
Welcome to the EU nuthouse.
https://www.westmonster.com/turkish-fig ... sels-bloc/
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coffee, well done, you actually uttered some words of your own. To answer them, here goes. No, i DO NOT BELIEVE IN MY COUNTRY - WHY THE HELL SHOULD I?Alan H wrote:coffee wrote:If you believe in your country then consider to follow these following twitter accounts.
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you have already posted this. Did the door reopen? More important, what is the value of the opinion of some former French president? If he had said the opposite, I doubt that thiw would appear in the threadcoffee wrote:EU door now shut to Britain for good, Hollande says - Telegraph
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well, animist, have you considered the alternatives....?animist wrote: No, i DO NOT BELIEVE IN MY COUNTRY - WHY THE HELL SHOULD I?
which are? Well, one is the humanistic belief in the general good rather than a narrowly conceived national good. But even if one is patriotic and believes only in the national good, it does not follow that one should in some way or other believe that the path that what one's country is following is the right one for it, especially if it is one not shared by the large majority of the country's elected representatives. These decent people have been morally blackmailed, by a foolish experiment in direct democracy, to pretend to agree to policies which in fact they believe are harmful. How can this good for the country? Does that answer you?Nick wrote:well, animist, have you considered the alternatives....?animist wrote: No, i DO NOT BELIEVE IN MY COUNTRY - WHY THE HELL SHOULD I?
It's rather funny how we can draw completely different inferences from a simple phrase! I was making the distinction between believing in your country and any other. I was looking for an alternative country. And "believe in" meaning something like worth supporting or contributing to. (I was attributing you capitals to thick thumbs, not shouting. Was I right to do so..?) So you may have a different answer if you take that perspective. I was also rather startled by an apparent assertion that no contribution to the society in which one lives had any merit, though, based on your response, I don't think that was your intention.animist wrote: No, i DO NOT BELIEVE IN MY COUNTRY - WHY THE HELL SHOULD I?
So should we care rather more for the destruction of the economies of Greece and other EU nations than you have so far thought...?which are? Well, one is the humanistic belief in the general good rather than a narrowly conceived national good.Nick wrote: well, animist, have you considered the alternatives....?
OK, but I took your assertion as an abandonment of all hope of changing it, through the democratic process, say. Not what you meant...?But even if one is patriotic and believes only in the national good, it does not follow that one should in some way or other believe that the path that what one's country is following is the right one for it,
This is not "belief in ones country", but belief in the policy being persued by any particular government- rather different, I'd say.especially if it is one not shared by the large majority of the country's elected representatives. These decent people have been morally blackmailed, by a foolish experiment in direct democracy, to pretend to agree to policies which in fact they believe are harmful. How can this good for the country?
Not in the way I was expecting!Does that answer you?