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Theresa May vows she won’t bow to Remainers’ demands we stay in EU’s Customs Union: Brexit News for Monday 23 Aprilhttps://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -23-april/
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Theresa May vows she won’t bow to Remainers’ demands we stay in EU’s Customs Union: Brexit News for Monday 23 AprilWhat kind of popcorn does everyone want?coffee wrote:Theresa May vows she won’t bow to Remainers’ demands we stay in EU’s Customs Union: Brexit News for Monday 23 April
https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -23-april/
LOL! What has that got to do with Brexit? The Brexiteers are clutching at straws. Nothing new there then.coffee wrote:Britain to sign a Brexit deal with Michigan state to collaborate on new technology like driverless cars
Said deal will let Michigan and the UK be at the forefront of the transformation
By KATE FERGUSON, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -cars.html
coffee, I do not recognise faith as one the humanist principles which you like to codify. But sadly, ISTM that Moggie is right, in a very cynical, unethical and unhumanistic way. The EU would have problems in enforcing its customs union borders if this foul country called the UK decided to call its bluffAlan H wrote:So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?coffee wrote:'CALL EU'S BLUFF!' Jacob Rees-Mogg urges May not to back down in Irish border dispute
LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has called on the Government to call the EU's bluff over Northern Ireland and dare them to put up a hard border between north and south.
By CAMILLA TOMINE
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -rees-mogg
I'm certainly not a Trump supporter, and think his strategy to be somewhat high risk and therefore somewhat unwise, but he does have a point about unfair competition, and the EU is most certainly protectionist. ISTM that Trump is prepared to cause serious disruption in order to shake the international compacency. Whether it will work or not, only time will tell....animist wrote:so Trump accuses the EU of being protectionist? This is the man who is starting trade wars in order to save American jobs!
Seriously? There's lots of evidence! Just listen to the pronouncements and proposals emenating from Brussels. Campbell Bannerman is right. But it's no shock, just shocking.animist wrote:shock warning? No, a conspiracy theory with no evidential support.coffee wrote:'EU is using Ireland to lock UK inside!' Tory MEP's SHOCK warning about EU 'game plan'
THE EUROPEAN UNION will exploit the difficulties of reaching a deal on the Irish border to trap the United Kingdom inside the bloc after Brexit, Tory MEP David Campbell Bannerman said.
By AURORA BOSOTTI
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94903 ... land-video
Alan H wrote:So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?coffee wrote:'CALL EU'S BLUFF!' Jacob Rees-Mogg urges May not to back down in Irish border dispute
LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has called on the Government to call the EU's bluff over Northern Ireland and dare them to put up a hard border between north and south.
By CAMILLA TOMINEY
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -rees-mogg
Do you accept that there has to be a border between the EU and a third country?Nick wrote:Alan H wrote:So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?coffee wrote:'CALL EU'S BLUFF!' Jacob Rees-Mogg urges May not to back down in Irish border dispute
LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has called on the Government to call the EU's bluff over Northern Ireland and dare them to put up a hard border between north and south.
By CAMILLA TOMINEY
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -rees-mogg
So you think the EU will put up a hard border, then....?
Ahem! It was Alan, not coffee, who ntroduced "faith"animist wrote:coffee, I do not recognise faith as one the humanist principles which you like to codify.Alan H wrote:So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?coffee wrote:'CALL EU'S BLUFF!' Jacob Rees-Mogg urges May not to back down in Irish border dispute
LEADING Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has called on the Government to call the EU's bluff over Northern Ireland and dare them to put up a hard border between north and south.
By CAMILLA TOMINE
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... -rees-mogg
,But sadly, ISTM that Moggie is right
So why is free trade any of those things...?in a very cynical, unethical and unhumanistic way.
FIFY Good.The EU would have problems in enforcing its customs union borders if this foul country called the UK decided to call its bluff
oh well, so what? Coffee needs to put his mouth where his pasties are, so he is now being challenged to SAY what he thinks by both Alan and meNick wrote:Ahem! It was Alan, not coffee, who ntroduced "faith"animist wrote:coffee, I do not recognise faith as one of the humanist principles which you like to codify.Alan H wrote:So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?
I was saying that the Mog was these things, not free trade. No, free trade is a good thing, but like most things in life (as an economist, you will surely agree here) it has costs. If the cost in this situation includes a risk to peace in Ireland, then it is not worth the cost. The EU cannot really simply dump its whole customs union just because Britain on a whim decided on a venture without considering the implications. But what I seriously wonder (and what Moggie might have been hinting at) is that Ireland and the EU just will not be able to enforce some hard border even if they want to because of the numbers of crossing-points on the border. More likely, and I think this has already been mooted, the EU will simply refuse any sort of trade deal with Britain unless the border issue is sorted out by Britain in a way acceptable to the EU and Ireland. This might well mean the separation of Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK, an ironic twist to the Brexit storyNick wrote:So why is free trade any of those things...?in a very cynical, unethical and unhumanistic way.
I have listened to quite a few, but remind me which ones count as evidence. How come that the EU wants to get Brexit off its back by end 2020 rather than the full 2 years of "transition" that Britain has mooted? This does not sound like a body desperate to keep Britain bound to it. And anyway, even if that were the plan, Britain can avoid it by accepting the EU suggestion that Northern Ireland alone stays in the CU.Nick wrote:Seriously? There's lots of evidence! Just listen to the pronouncements and proposals emenating from Brussels. Campbell Bannerman is right. But it's no shock, just shocking.animist wrote:shock warning? No, a conspiracy theory with no evidential support.coffee wrote:'EU is using Ireland to lock UK inside!' Tory MEP's SHOCK warning about EU 'game plan'
THE EUROPEAN UNION will exploit the difficulties of reaching a deal on the Irish border to trap the United Kingdom inside the bloc after Brexit, Tory MEP David Campbell Bannerman said.
By AURORA BOSOTTI
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94903 ... land-video
Doesn't that look a lot better, coffee?coffee wrote:GREECE: A huge brawl erupted between migrants, a far-right mob and left-wing activists on the island of Lesbos.
Uncontrolled, open door, mass migration causes division, resentment and violence.
https://www.westmonster.com/huge-brawl- ... os-greece/
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eaving the EU will allow Teesport to become a free port - a move which would create thousands of new jobs!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94961 ... toms-union
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The registration system for EU nationals living in the UK is as easy as setting up an online shopping account, says Amber Rudd.
https://www.ft.com/content/a148dad0-44a ... 5c97e6fd0b
There is still a border between any 2 countries, even within Schengen. That's what makes them 2 countries, not one. So, having answered yours, how about answering mine?Alan H wrote:Do you accept that there has to be a border between the EU and a third country?Nick wrote:Alan H wrote:So, how's that going to work out for, say, NI farmers, coffee? Or do you just have faith it'll all be OK?
So you think the EU will put up a hard border, then....?
That was a silly response, Nick, and you know it.Nick wrote:There is still a border between any 2 countries, even within Schengen. That's what makes them 2 countries, not one. So, having answered yours, how about answering mine?Alan H wrote:Do you accept that there has to be a border between the EU and a third country?Nick wrote:
So you think the EU will put up a hard border, then....?
Ok, I'll leave that to coffee....animist wrote:oh well, so what? Coffee needs to put his mouth where his pasties are, so he is now being challenged to SAY what he thinks by both Alan and meNick wrote:Ahem! It was Alan, not coffee, who introduced "faith"animist wrote:coffee, I do not recognise faith as one of the humanist principles which you like to codify.
Oh! I don't think he is either cynical, nor unethical in a broad sense, though he would probably be horrified to be called humanist!I was saying that the Mog was these things, not free trade.Nick wrote:So why is free trade any of those things...?in a very cynical, unethical and unhumanistic way.
No, free trade is a good thing,
Political ones, not economic ones. And we don't let politics into economics, do we...?but like most things in life (as an economist, you will surely agree here) it has costs.
But who is it who is threatening peace? It's the EU's threat of erecting border posts and the latent of a revival of IRA violence.If the cost in this situation includes a risk to peace in Ireland, then it is not worth the cost.
So the EU would prefer an armed conflict than adjust its rules, which, you have already agreed, act against the best option- free trade. That is wht make Brussels so toxic. They have already (as if I need to remind you of this) chosen their own precious rules before the millions devastated in Souhern Europe.The EU cannot really simply dump its whole customs union just because Britain on a whim decided on a venture without considering the implications.
...any more than they could before.But what I seriously wonder (and what Moggie might have been hinting at) is that Ireland and the EU just will not be able to enforce some hard border even if they want to because of the numbers of crossing-points on the border.
So, more bullying tactics. What pleasant friends you have!More likely, and I think this has already been mooted, the EU will simply refuse any sort of trade deal with Britain unless the border issue is sorted out by Britain in a way acceptable to the EU and Ireland.
Are you seriously advocating the annexation of part of the UK against the wishes of the majority of the population?This might well mean the separation of Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK, an ironic twist to the Brexit story
It was a suitable response to a silly question. Of course, I could have said "What the fuck are you on about?" Would you have preferred that?Alan H wrote:That was a silly response, Nick, and you know it.Nick wrote:There is still a border between any 2 countries, even within Schengen. That's what makes them 2 countries, not one. So, having answered yours, how about answering mine?Alan H wrote:Do you accept that there has to be a border between the EU and a third country?