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#521 Post by Nick » May 3rd, 2018, 6:45 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

Oh, and having now seen the reference in more detail, it is, of course, nonsense to say that "we can trade with the world inside the customs union". FFS! The whole point of a customs union is that it restricts trade with outsiders! If it didn't, it would be a customs union, would it? Are they really that clueless?

And, seeing the map, we can add Oz and NZ to the countries with whom the EU has no trade deal at present. Given that we share a head of state, some sort of post Brexit deal ought to be possible, don't you think?

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#522 Post by coffee » May 3rd, 2018, 6:46 pm

Nick wrote:
coffee wrote:How accurate is this tweet from Open Britain?
You have to see the tweet to understand the full context as there is map showing the EU trade deal with other nations worldwide before you commenting.
To see the tweet, go to the following account below, and it will be the first or near the very top of the list.

Open Britain
‏Verified account

@Open_Britain

May 2

"Being in the Customs Union gives Britain access to 65 trade arrangements all over the world. We already trade with the world & a hard Brexit would mean we lose all these trade deals.

Please RT so everybody knows the facts:"
As Alan has indicated, it would be useful to have access to the tweet, and the map, but on the face of it, it is complete twaddle.

1) There may be 65 trade arrangements, but they are not with the major economies, eg China, USA, India etc. with whom we already trade on a "Hard Brexit" basis.

2) New trade deals are likely to cover much higher volumes for the UK than the 65 so far achieved.

3) If trade deals are so important, the EU's inability to conclude any with our most valuable suppliers and customers shows the bumbling nature of the EU which is restricting free trade, and

4) There is little reason to suppose we should be unable to arrange equivalent or better agreements once we have left. After all, the EU, being such a force for good in the world would not have just stitched them up, surely? Of course, the EU has done what it can to bugger up our chances of doing so in a seamless manner, by preventing new agreements while in transition. But we knew they were just vindictive bastards, didn't we?
Yes it a difficult one, but overall I think if we can negotiate a good CU for the uk then I think that is the least disruption to/for trade.

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#523 Post by coffee » May 3rd, 2018, 6:51 pm

Nick wrote:Oh, and having now seen the reference in more detail, it is, of course, nonsense to say that "we can trade with the world inside the customs union". FFS! The whole point of a customs union is that it restricts trade with outsiders! If it didn't, it would be a customs union, would it? Are they really that clueless?

And, seeing the map, we can add Oz and NZ to the countries with whom the EU has no trade deal at present. Given that we share a head of state, some sort of post Brexit deal ought to be possible, don't you think?
The map do changes over time so keep your eyes on for a 1 0r 2 or 3 or 4 mins to see the full context Nick

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#524 Post by Nick » May 4th, 2018, 10:05 am

coffee wrote:The map do changes over time so keep your eyes on for a 1 0r 2 or 3 or 4 mins to see the full context Nick
So why shouldn't the post Brexit map change too? And maybe their future map should include the collapse of the EU.... :wink:

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#525 Post by animist » May 4th, 2018, 11:04 am

coffee wrote:If it is say it is, then I would go for the custom union but no to free movement people.
ah, so there is hope for you yet, coffee! :smile:

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#526 Post by animist » May 4th, 2018, 11:09 am

Nick wrote:Oh, and having now seen the reference in more detail, it is, of course, nonsense to say that "we can trade with the world inside the customs union". FFS! The whole point of a customs union is that it restricts trade with outsiders! If it didn't, it would be a customs union, would it? Are they really that clueless?

And, seeing the map, we can add Oz and NZ to the countries with whom the EU has no trade deal at present. Given that we share a head of state, some sort of post Brexit deal ought to be possible, don't you think?
you are misrepresenting what the caption says. A customs union encourages trade internally while - yes - restricting it externally, but restriction is not prohibition: as Brexiters like to point out, we will still be trading with the EU if/when we leave the CU and SM. Oz and NZ may share a head of state with us Poms, but that in itself is unlikely to guarantee commercial deals - how quaint you are! And they are small fry, aren't they? Any idiot, such as Liam Fox, can make a deal with another country, but the problem is making good ones. And here is a sobering look at all the countries supposedly queuing up for UK deals: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 32411.html

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#527 Post by coffee » May 4th, 2018, 11:48 am

Until the uk have negotiated a custom union, brexit news continues
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Britain 'will not be able to leave customs union until 2023', ministers told: Brexit News for Friday 4 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... day-4-may/

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#528 Post by animist » May 4th, 2018, 12:44 pm

coffee wrote:Until the uk have negotiated a custom union, brexit news continues
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Britain 'will not be able to leave customs union until 2023', ministers told: Brexit News for Friday 4 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... day-4-may/
haha. And by that time the case for another referendum of some sort will be unanswerable

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#529 Post by coffee » May 4th, 2018, 6:58 pm

Brexit plan drawn up for border checks between NI and rest of UK

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rts-brexit

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#530 Post by Alan H » May 4th, 2018, 7:18 pm

coffee wrote:Brexit plan drawn up for border checks between NI and rest of UK

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rts-brexit
But...but... the DUP!!!!!
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#531 Post by animist » May 4th, 2018, 10:54 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:Brexit plan drawn up for border checks between NI and rest of UK

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... rts-brexit
But...but... the DUP!!!!!
but, but the DUP will be outflanked if Labour and the Tories agree this, which the ever-diminishing time window may well make the only viable way out. The very fact that oversea journeys create a natural barrier (something the article made me realise for the first time) seems to strengthen the chances for this solution

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#532 Post by coffee » May 5th, 2018, 10:37 am

PM urged to make clean break after Leave voters back Tories in Local Elections: Brexit News for Saturday 5 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... day-5-may/

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#533 Post by Alan H » May 5th, 2018, 10:41 am

coffee wrote:PM urged to make clean break after Leave voters back Tories in Local Elections: Brexit News for Saturday 5 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... day-5-may/
:hilarity: :hilarity: :laughter: :hilarity: :pointlaugh: :pointlaugh:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#534 Post by coffee » May 5th, 2018, 5:10 pm

A Brexit border solution which would involve checks on some goods coming into Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK has been considered by civil servants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44015278

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#535 Post by coffee » May 5th, 2018, 5:56 pm

At the end of the day, food to the table is very important so I try to pay attention to what Philip Hammond (The Chancellor of the Exchequer) has to say.

Just like what it says here

http://www.nycnvc.org/wp-content/upload ... 8-15.2.pdf

http://www.nycnvc.org/wp-content/upload ... 8-15.1.pdf

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#536 Post by coffee » May 6th, 2018, 3:37 am

PM'S CUSTOMS VOW Theresa May vows to get Britain out of the EU Customs Union as soon as possible

The PM has brushed off fears she has gone soft on Brexit and spoken of her 'absolute determination' to get out of the EU Customs Union by the end of 2020

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/ ... oms-union/

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THE SUN ON SUNDAY SAYS Prime Minister Theresa May will try to foist an EU customs union fudge — despite promises

Voters must and will keep her to her word that we will take back control — and so will The Sun


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6221307/t ... n-promise/

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Theresa May tells hard Brexiters: Back my plan on EU customs or face chaos
By Glen Owen for The Mail on Sunday


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... chaos.html

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Local elections haunted by Brexit offer little comfort to right or left

Labour has reason to be disappointed, but the Tories may struggle with the expectations of their ex-Ukip voters

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ht-or-left

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#537 Post by animist » May 6th, 2018, 10:08 am

coffee wrote:At the end of the day, food to the table is very important so I try to pay attention to what Philip Hammond (The Chancellor of the Exchequer) has to say.

Just like what it says here

http://www.nycnvc.org/wp-content/upload ... 8-15.2.pdf

http://www.nycnvc.org/wp-content/upload ... 8-15.1.pdf
???

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#538 Post by coffee » May 6th, 2018, 1:43 pm

animist wrote:
coffee wrote:At the end of the day, food to the table is very important so I try to pay attention to what Philip Hammond (The Chancellor of the Exchequer) has to say.

Just like what it says here

http://www.nycnvc.org/wp-content/upload ... 8-15.2.pdf

http://www.nycnvc.org/wp-content/upload ... 8-15.1.pdf
???

Trade, money, the economy, resources=food

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#539 Post by coffee » May 6th, 2018, 2:26 pm

Cabinet Brexiteers warn of open revolt if Theresa May tries to force through customs partnership: Brexit News for Sunday 6 May

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... day-6-may/

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Remainer party Renew LOSE only council seat but insist ‘demand is there’ to REVERSE Brexit

A NEWLY-FORMED party campaigning to rethink Brexit has insisted there is support for its pro-Remain message, despite the party’s only councillor being voted out in this week’s election.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... ction-2018

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#540 Post by coffee » May 6th, 2018, 2:57 pm

UK-EU customs partnership 'still on table'

Former home secretary Amber Rudd - who resigned last Sunday over a deportations row - backed Mr Clark's comments.

Ms Rudd, a leading voice in the 2016 campaign to stay in the EU, tweeted that the business secretary was "quite right" to argue for a "Brexit that protects existing jobs and future investment".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44021119

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UK-EU customs partnership sound good to Coffee so far, Coffee would back it. If it good for Amber Rudd, It is good for Coffee

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#541 Post by Alan H » May 6th, 2018, 3:13 pm

coffee wrote:UK-EU customs partnership 'still on table'

Former home secretary Amber Rudd - who resigned last Sunday over a deportations row - backed Mr Clark's comments.

Ms Rudd, a leading voice in the 2016 campaign to stay in the EU, tweeted that the business secretary was "quite right" to argue for a "Brexit that protects existing jobs and future investment".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44021119

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UK-EU customs partnership sound good to Coffee so far, Coffee would back it. If it good for Amber Rudd, It is good for Coffee
But that's not what we voted for. Whatever happened to the Will of the People?
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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