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Alan H
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#1541 Postby Alan H » February 13th, 2019, 1:00 pm

Latest post of the previous page:

coffee wrote:We should leave without a deal, declare our independence and let the EU then negotiate with us, says Will Podmore
:laughter: :pointlaugh: :hilarity: :pointlaugh: :laughter: :hilarity: :pointlaugh:
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1542 Postby Alan H » February 13th, 2019, 6:52 pm

This Brexit thingy is all going tickety-boo, isn't it, coffee? Did you vote for this? Ford told UK PM May it is preparing alternative production sites
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1543 Postby coffee » February 14th, 2019, 8:58 am

Theresa May faces Valentine’s Day rebellion as furious Brexiteer MPs vow to withhold support for today’s Commons Brexit motion: Brexit News for Thursday 14 February


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1544 Postby Alan H » February 14th, 2019, 10:13 am

Brexit's going well, isn't it? Cameron thought he could pull his party together once and for all. We are now all suffering because of his delusions.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1545 Postby coffee » February 14th, 2019, 4:35 pm

Bad news for Merkel with new figures showing ZERO growth for Germany. We're one of their biggest export markets, so while No Deal would be great for us (save £39bn, take back control overnight!) it would be fatal for the German economy...

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Italy in recession, Germany has narrowly avoided one (zero growth at end of 2018).

These countries need a UK deal. British government must hold nerve and be prepared to walk away.

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#1546 Postby animist » February 15th, 2019, 9:41 am

Alan, I know that you eschew Question TIme. But you might like to see Jimmy Wales, who IMO has done so much for those who do like to know what approximates to the truth, on yesterday's show

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#1547 Postby coffee » February 15th, 2019, 11:21 am

Theresa May says no deal 'more likely' after Tory truce is shattered by Commons defeat: Brexit News for Friday 15 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1548 Postby Alan H » February 15th, 2019, 11:49 am

coffee wrote:Theresa May says no deal 'more likely' after Tory truce is shattered by Commons defeat: Brexit News for Friday 15 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

It's entirely in her hands. If she's still sitting there on 29 March and there is no deal approved and she makes the decision to do nothing instead of revoking Article 50, then the history books will show her alone as being the PM who destroyed the UK and did nothing to stop it. There will be no one else responsible: just her. There are many to blame for it of course, starting with Cameron, Farage, Banks, and all the other little racists and morons who got us into this fucking mess. The history books will not be kind to any of them.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1549 Postby coffee » February 15th, 2019, 5:17 pm

LEGA: EU Elections 'last opportunity' to reform or Italy should Leave.

“If the environment remains toxic, I will say ‘let’s go out.’”

Meet you outside EU @matteosalvinimi?

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SIGNED: UK-US Mutual Recognition Agreement is done!

“We look forward to sitting down at the negotiating table with the Americans after we leave the European Union to strike an ambitious new free trade agreement.”

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Economic Spokesman for Italy’s governing Lega says EU elections last chance for reform or they should Leave.

Germany’s AFD eyeing Dexit and Frexit support at 40%.

This is why Brussels trying to sting UK with stupendously bad deal.

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Those running the WTO actually like us. Bit of a different vibe to being mugged off by Tusk and Co.

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POSITIVE: Strong UK retail sales for January, 4% year-on-year rise.

Plus inflation down and wages up!

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More good news Remoaners won't be focusing on as British retail enjoyed a huge 4.2% boost in the month of January. So much for Project Fear - just because British consumers aren't buying Remoaner rubbish doesn't mean they aren't spending!

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On Saturday 23rd Feb we'll be in Birmingham city centre promoting the benefits of a #WTO Brexit. Sign up for free below

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The EU's obsession with creating red tape means European investors are on the verge of moving to the UK

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>>>>>>>>>>>>"People voted to leave, they didn't vote for a deal" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

@Jacob_Rees_Mogg sums up perfectly why May's deal fails to honour the Referendum result!

Get involved: https://www.leavemeansleave.eu/take-action/

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It was a simple binary choice. Leave or Remain. We voted leave. Many former remainers now believe in Brexit. Why? Because unlike those in Parliament determined to stop our EU Exit - they actually believe in democracy. The people have spoken. Just get on with it! #WTOBrexitNOW

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#1550 Postby Alan H » February 15th, 2019, 5:23 pm

“We look forward to sitting down at the negotiating table with the Americans after we leave the European Union to strike an ambitious new free trade agreement.”
:hilarity: :hilarity: :hilarity: :hilarity:

Anyway, back to reality:
Two weeks ago the prime minister was boasting that she had reunited the Tories and pundits were writing off the People’s Vote. How the tables have turned. Theresa May suffered another humiliating defeat in Parliament yesterday, when MPs voted against the government’s current Brexit strategy by 303 votes to 258.

The defeat undoes the “victory” May won on January 29. Both pro-European and hard-Brexit Conservatives, which voted with her then, turned on the PM yesterday. It shows her party is no longer united behind even her “unicorns plus” model, with May shuttling between London, Brussels and other EU capitals seeking changes to the Irish border “backstop” which may never emerge.

Parliament can’t unite behind a deal as nothing on offer fulfils the promises the Leavers made in 2016, or is as good as our current special status within the EU. May’s strategy is simply to kill time – running down the clock until Brexit day, when she believes MPs will have to fall in line and vote for her deal.

https://www.open-britain.co.uk/r?u=blD924-a5ASkxKP9IyZ4UKi3RmPzL8iKFzZjpRtiTLc&e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=15_feb_2019&n=6

This is quite a big assumption, and we’ll see how it plays out on February 27 when the prime minister must present her alternative plan to Parliament. If – as seems likely – MPs shoot that down too, the pressure will build for the government to seek an extension of Article 50.

Fortunately MPs very much have it within their power to pull that off. A strategy being pulled together by Labour’s Yvette Cooper and Tories Oliver Letwin and Caroline Spelman is already emerging as a key obstacle for the government at the end of the month.

And if May attempts to stand her ground and ignore calls for an extension, she may yet be undone by her own party. Ministers including Amber Rudd and David Gauke are rumoured to be willing to resign and pass legislation forcing the prime minister to act rather than see a no-deal Brexit come to pass.

But even an extension of Article 50 simply kicks the problem down the road. We will end up in exactly the same place in a few months. The only realistic way to break the deadlock in the Commons is to put the matter back to the country in a People’s Vote.
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“Theresa May’s huge defeat in the House of Commons tonight confirms that Brexit has now descended into not only a political mess but a national humiliation. The Prime Minister is continuing to run the clock down at a time when MPs of all sides need to consider the national interest and the future of jobs and security.”

Labour MP Stephen Doughty
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WATCH: OFOC co-founder Lara Spirit stands up for democracy on Sky News by pointing out that we are allowed to change our minds.

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40 Labour MPs rebel

Opposition to Jeremy Corbyn’s foot-dragging Brexit tactics broke into the open yesterday, when more than 40 Labour MPs backed an SNP amendment calling for an extension to Article 50. Pressure within the party is continuing to build, with both frontbenchers and backbenchers angry and frustrated. It’s no wonder that shadow Treasury minister Clive Lewis is concerned that, if Labour help to facilitate “a Tory Brexit”, they will be blamed for it at the ballot box.

If Corbyn wants to keep his party together – and have a functioning economy to work with if he wins the next election – he should follow the policy adopted at last year’s party conference, and back a People’s Vote.

It's clear that the only way forward is a People's Vote. Now is a crucial time to get involved with the campaign. Sign up to volunteer today.https://www.peoples-vote.uk/volunteerhttps://www.peoples-vote.uk/volunteer?e=7258668eab9c2d9ccad238fc304d70d7&utm_source=in&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=15_feb_2019&n=13

Government now needs to honour Soubry promise

Anna Soubry may havewithdrawn her amendment calling on the government to publish “the most recent official briefing document” on the consequences of a no-deal Brexit, but only because the battle was already won. The government has indicated that David Lidington will meet with Soubry and publish the requested information. If this doesn’t happen, May will have burned trust, the amendment will go back on the table, and could well secure enough support to inflict yet another defeat on the government.
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Heidi Allen MP points out that it was inevitable that we would find ourselves with no deal and no plan as soon as the government allowed itself to be ransomed by the European Research Group.

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Weren’t EU car makers supposed to get us a good deal?

Large European manufacturers aresick of Brexit and want the European Commission to either commit to a lengthy extension of Article 50, or take the plunge and watch the UK leave without a deal. The problem for companies is that planning for a potential no-deal Brexit is costly and centred around certain key dates. A short extension followed by a no-deal exit – or a series of extensions with their own cliff-edges to be hedged – would be ruinously expensive. This is a far cry from the world the Leavers promised us in 2016, where German car makers and Italian prosecco producers would be begging us for a good deal. The mood among car manufacturers today is to simply let us go.
What's your reason?


WATCH: Susie is demanding a People’s Vote because as a medical journalist she's worried about the impact on the NHS. Write to your MP to demand a People’s Vote on the Brexit deal NOW.

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Better together: Meet the Brexit couples awaiting their fate after March 29 (Evening Standard)

EU, America and China will all get new medicines ahead of Britain after Brexit, drug company boss warns (Independent)

Scots and Welsh ministers quiz Treasury on post-Brexit cash(BBC)

Is there a 10-year-rule to sort out trade? (BBC)
Top Brexit comment


Polly Toynbee: History will not forgive May’s reckless push to the no-deal precipice (Guardian)

Gary Younge: Britain needs more time on Brexit, but we shouldn’t entrust it to Theresa May (Guardian)

Brexit has not caused much economic damage. Until now(Economist)
[b]Looking forward…[/b]


Today, Friday 15th February
09.30 ONS: retail sales published
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1551 Postby Alan H » February 15th, 2019, 6:50 pm

coffee wrote:“We look forward to sitting down at the negotiating table with the Americans after we leave the European Union to strike an ambitious new free trade agreement.”


Looking forward to this, coffee? Is this the Brexit Bonus Bonanza we were promised? This is an inevitable consequence of leaving a large and powerful trading bloc who was able to negotiate on behalf of all its members rather than being a small, pretty insignificant bunch of has-beens who think they are still head of the British Empire...

American Meat Lobbyists List Demands For Post-Brexit UK-US Trade Deal
Lobbyists for the American meat industry have urged the US government to demand Britain drop antibiotics restrictions and the ban on ractopamine-fed pork as part of any post-Brexit trade deal.

Speaking at an evidence session in front of the powerful US Trade Policy Committee in Washington last month, the lobbyists also warned forcing the UK to accept chlorine-bleached chicken would require “hard negotiating”.

Craig Thorn, of America’s National Pork Producers Council, said Britain should drop its standards and stop testing pork for the parasitic worm trichinae.

Trade expert Daniel Griswold, meanwhile, told the Committee the President should aim for “the elimination of all tariffs on all categories of goods”.

The committee is amassing information on how to squeeze Theresa May for concessions once Britain has broken from the EU.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1552 Postby animist » February 15th, 2019, 7:54 pm

Alan H wrote:
“We look forward to sitting down at the negotiating table with the Americans after we leave the European Union to strike an ambitious new free trade agreement.”
coffee, there is a contradiction between hopes like this and other frequently expressed intentions from Brexiters like Moggie and Hannon that Britain can and should simply get rid of all tariffs in order that the poorer off can get cheaper food. Just think about it: if Britain has no tariffs then we have nothing left to bargain with, have we?

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#1553 Postby coffee » February 16th, 2019, 9:17 am

Theresa May 'won't try to renegotiate' the Withdrawal Agreement: Brexit News for Saturday 16 February

TODAY'S HEADLINES

May won't try to renegotiate Withdrawal Agreement
Trump predicts increased trade with UK after signing deal
EU investors consider move to UK over Brexit
Italy’s 5 Star Movement launch new EU Parliament group

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1554 Postby Alan H » February 16th, 2019, 10:00 am

coffee wrote:Theresa May 'won't try to renegotiate' the Withdrawal Agreement:
That's just as well, coffee, because she already negotiated a deal and had agreed it with the EU and all the EU agreed it with her and say it the final deal and the best she is ever going to get. Odd that she might think she could somehow re-negotiate something she'd already agreed to...
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1555 Postby Alan H » February 16th, 2019, 8:40 pm

This Brexit thingy is all going tickety-boo, isn't it, coffee? Airline Flybmi ceases operations
British regional airline Flybmi has cancelled all its flights and filed for administration, the airline has announced.

The company said it had been badly affected by rises in fuel and carbon costs and uncertainty over Brexit.
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1556 Postby coffee » February 17th, 2019, 11:31 am

Theresa May urges Tory MPs to unite and back her deal: Brexit News for Sunday 17 February

https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1557 Postby Alan H » February 17th, 2019, 12:45 pm

coffee wrote:Theresa May urges Tory MPs to unite and back her deal
:laughter: :pointlaugh: :hilarity: :laughter: :hilarity:

She clearly doesn't even understand her own party!
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There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1558 Postby coffee » February 17th, 2019, 5:27 pm

Scare stories about transport chaos after no-deal Brexit demolished after EU chiefs agree secret deal with Britain to maintain links

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REALITY: EU 'agree reciprocal access for lorries and planes' after No Deal Brexit.

@DominicRaab: “Allow the flow of lorries and airplanes to/from the UK and EU, if we leave on WTO terms. Why so little coverage?”

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Plans are being made to keep planes & lorries moving between the UK and the continent in the event of a No Deal. Project Fear is crumbling as each day brings us closer to a clean WTO Brexit - because the EU is desperate to keep our trade!

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Department for Transport describe IT projects as ‘all on track’ and in ‘good shape’.

The facts vs. Project Fear hysteria.

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JCB, Bombardier, Toyota - they’re all investing in industry in Derby

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#1559 Postby coffee » February 18th, 2019, 8:48 am

Theresa May might not seek to reopen the Brexit deal, the Culture Secretary suggests: Brexit News for Monday 18 February


https://brexitcentral.com/today/brexit- ... -february/

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#1560 Postby Alan H » February 18th, 2019, 10:44 am

coffee wrote:Theresa May might not seek to reopen the Brexit deal, the Culture Secretary suggests
:pointlaugh: :pointlaugh: Has she finally listened to what the EU has been telling her? She already agreed a deal with them - the fact she can't even get her own MPs to agree with her is her problem.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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#1561 Postby Alan H » February 18th, 2019, 3:17 pm

This Brexit thingy is all going tickety-boo, isn't it, coffee? A price worth paying? Honda to stun ministers with closure of Swindon factory
Honda is preparing to announce the closure of its factory in Swindon, dealing a devastating blow both to its 3,500-strong workforce and ministers' hopes that the UK will remain an elite manufacturing economy after Brexit.

Sky News has learnt that the Japanese car manufacturer could disclose the plan as soon as Tuesday morning.

A Honda spokesman did not return calls seeking comment on Monday.

If confirmed, the move will represent a further savage blow to Britain's automotive sector amid enormous uncertainty surrounding the terms of future trade with the European Union.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?


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