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The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

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coffee
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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#21 Postby coffee » January 16th, 2019, 11:16 am

Latest post of the previous page:

When voting for what you believe in means wasting your vote and letting in candidate you dislike the most, our democratic process has broken down.

It's time for Proportional Representation so everyone can vote for what they believe in.

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#22 Postby coffee » January 24th, 2019, 4:37 pm

Majoritarian UK in Brexit chaos
Majoritarian US in government shutdown
Majoritarian France demanding political overhaul
Majoritarian Australia on it's 6th PM in 8 years...

Have you noticed that people have stopped trying to claim Proportional Representation causes instability?

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#23 Postby Alan H » January 24th, 2019, 5:15 pm

coffee wrote:Majoritarian UK in Brexit chaos
Majoritarian US in government shutdown
Majoritarian France demanding political overhaul
Majoritarian Australia on it's 6th PM in 8 years...

Have you noticed that people have stopped trying to claim Proportional Representation causes instability?

https://twitter.com/MakeVotesMatter/sta ... 4213867520
The Brexit chaos was caused mostly by right-wing racists.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#24 Postby animist » January 25th, 2019, 12:42 pm

maybe Brexit would not have happened if we had voted using PR: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... referendum

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#25 Postby coffee » May 17th, 2019, 11:32 am

When a party gains votes, it should win more seats.

When a party loses votes, it should win fewer seats.

But with our First Past the Post voting system, often it's the other way round. That's why we need to #ChangeTheVotingSystem to Proportional Representation.

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#26 Postby Alan H » May 17th, 2019, 11:58 am

coffee wrote:When a party gains votes, it should win more seats.

When a party loses votes, it should win fewer seats.

But with our First Past the Post voting system, often it's the other way round. That's why we need to #ChangeTheVotingSystem to Proportional Representation.

https://twitter.com/MakeVotesMatter/sta ... 0632808448

Wouldn't necessarily disagree with you there, coffee, but it does depend on what PR system.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#27 Postby coffee » May 25th, 2019, 4:07 pm

No UK party has received a majority of votes since 1931.
The Conservative Party is a minority party.
The Labour Party is a minority party.
All UK parties are minority parties.

Why should a minority be allowed to govern all of us alone?
#ChangeTheVotingSystem

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#28 Postby Alan H » May 25th, 2019, 9:37 pm

coffee wrote:No UK party has received a majority of votes since 1931.
The Conservative Party is a minority party.
The Labour Party is a minority party.
All UK parties are minority parties.

Why should a minority be allowed to govern all of us alone?
#ChangeTheVotingSystem

https://twitter.com/MakeVotesMatter/sta ... 7384837122

So much wrong with that...
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#29 Postby animist » May 26th, 2019, 12:43 pm

Alan H wrote:
coffee wrote:No UK party has received a majority of votes since 1931.
The Conservative Party is a minority party.
The Labour Party is a minority party.
All UK parties are minority parties.

Why should a minority be allowed to govern all of us alone?
#ChangeTheVotingSystem

https://twitter.com/MakeVotesMatter/sta ... 7384837122

So much wrong with that...
such as?

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#30 Postby Alan H » May 26th, 2019, 1:25 pm

It presupposes so much. The statements are probably designed to make it look as if FPTP is the problem here by referring only to minority/majority of turnout. It is a problem, but we know turnout is usually not that high, so even if we had a form of PR, all parties would still be elected by a relatively small proportion of the electorate - possibly even a minority. So even with PR, for the same level of turnout, we'd still end up being ruled by those voted for my a minority.

I agree we should be moving to a form of PR, but, I suspect, for reasons different to those that coffee might have.
Alan Henness

There are three fundamental questions for anyone advocating Brexit:

1. What, precisely, are the significant and tangible benefits of leaving the EU?
2. What damage to the UK and its citizens is an acceptable price to pay for those benefits?
3. Which ruling of the ECJ is most persuasive of the need to leave its jurisdiction?

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#31 Postby coffee » June 11th, 2019, 5:11 pm

When seats match votes parties can actually work together to find common ground in the long-term interests of the whole country

First Past the Post means short-term decisions for quick political gain, & big issues like housing, social care & climate change put off again & again

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Re: The movement for Proportional Representation for UK elections

#32 Postby coffee » Yesterday, 5:17 pm

In most of our general elections, a major party has either gained votes but lost seats, or lost votes and gained seats.

Would anyone like to explain how this is democratic?
#ChangeTheVotingSystem


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