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Are you a vegan? If not, why not?

Enter here to explore ethical issues and discuss the meaning and source of morality.

If you are not a vegan, please state why you are not a vegan. Thank you.

1. I love the taste of meat, dairy, honey, etc.
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2. I love to use leather, silk, wool, etc.
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3. I am too lazy.
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4. I don't care about the suffering and death of the sentient organisms whose products e.g. meat, milk, honey, silk, wool, leather, etc. I consume.
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5. I don't care about the environment as veganism is better for the environment.
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6. I don't care about my long-term health as veganism is better for my long-term health.
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7. I don't want to save money on food as vegan food is cheaper.
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8. I am ignorant and can't be bothered to do the research.
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9. I am selfish.
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10. I have poor self-control and give in to temptations.
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Compassionist
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Are you a vegan? If not, why not?

#1 Postby Compassionist » May 11th, 2019, 9:25 pm

I was raised to be an omnivore. I first became a vegan on 1 August 2006 but I was unable to sustain it due to my ignorance. However, I became a vegan again in 2010 and again failed. Then I tried again from 4 January 2018. Apart from rare exceptions when I gave in to eating milk chocolate or dairy ice-cream or egg products, I have been managing to be a vegan. Are you a vegan? If not, why not? I really want to understand your position. Thank you.

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Alan H
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Re: Are you a vegan? If not, why not?

#2 Postby Alan H » May 12th, 2019, 12:16 am

None of those options applied to me, I felt. I've been a vegetarian for over half my 60+ years. There was a time when I would probably have liked to be a vegan but it always seemed like a lot of hard work and with the possibility of health issues if I wasn't careful, so I felt that being vegetarian was good enough. I think that's all we can hope to be: good enough. We can strive to be that bit better or more perfect, if we like but I don't think we should beat ourselves up because we fail some ideal or other that few can (safely) achieve. I think we should be content to be as good as what we are happy with.

I do eat dairy (I would also eat honey but rarely do), but I have no leather. I can't say I'm that concerned about silk or wool. Perhaps I should be, but if I was to become vegan, I suspect the hassle and stress would not help me or make me feel it was worth it!
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Re: Are you a vegan? If not, why not?

#3 Postby Compassionist » May 12th, 2019, 10:11 am

Alan H wrote:None of those options applied to me, I felt. I've been a vegetarian for over half my 60+ years. There was a time when I would probably have liked to be a vegan but it always seemed like a lot of hard work and with the possibility of health issues if I wasn't careful, so I felt that being vegetarian was good enough. I think that's all we can hope to be: good enough. We can strive to be that bit better or more perfect, if we like but I don't think we should beat ourselves up because we fail some ideal or other that few can (safely) achieve. I think we should be content to be as good as what we are happy with.

I do eat dairy (I would also eat honey but rarely do), but I have no leather. I can't say I'm that concerned about silk or wool. Perhaps I should be, but if I was to become vegan, I suspect the hassle and stress would not help me or make me feel it was worth it!

Thank you for your candid reply. I understand your position. Being a vegan certainly requires more effort. For example, Vitamin B12 can't be obtained from plants and vegans obtain it from nutritional yeast and fortified cereals and supplements. We don't live in a perfect world. Thank you for being a vegetarian. If you want to go vegan and have any questions, please feel free to ask me. Here are two videos you may want to see:
Every argument against veganism
Dairy is Scary
Thanks again.

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Re: Are you a vegan? If not, why not?

#4 Postby Tetenterre » May 16th, 2019, 12:05 pm

Well, those are pretty loaded options, aren't they, Compassionist? How about adding (in no particular order):
* I have the alimentary canal and dentition of an omnivore.
* I find that a balanced high-protein, low carb diet is easier to achieve if I eat animal products.
* I care about environment-damaging soya-bean (and other) monocultures (and Yes, I am aware that most of it goes into animal feed).
* I deplore the smug evangelism that so many vegans employ, especially the anti-scientific bullshit about health benefits (I have known far too many unhealthy vegans to be taken in by that BS).
* I try to avoid clothing made from non-biodegradable petrochemicals.

As you'll have gathered, I'm not vegan -- although I regularly (usually?) eat vegan or vegetarian meals.
Steve

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Re: Are you a vegan? If not, why not?

#5 Postby Compassionist » May 16th, 2019, 9:12 pm

Tetenterre wrote:Well, those are pretty loaded options, aren't they, Compassionist? How about adding (in no particular order):
* I have the alimentary canal and dentition of an omnivore.
* I find that a balanced high-protein, low carb diet is easier to achieve if I eat animal products.
* I care about environment-damaging soya-bean (and other) monocultures (and Yes, I am aware that most of it goes into animal feed).
* I deplore the smug evangelism that so many vegans employ, especially the anti-scientific bullshit about health benefits (I have known far too many unhealthy vegans to be taken in by that BS).
* I try to avoid clothing made from non-biodegradable petrochemicals.

As you'll have gathered, I'm not vegan -- although I regularly (usually?) eat vegan or vegetarian meals.

Thank you for your reply. Our canines are tiny. During our evolution, we were opportunistic omnivores. What we do to sentient animals in factory farms is horrific and entirely avoidable. I don't drink soya milk, I drink oat milk. Not all vegans eat a nutritionally balanced diet, just as not all non-vegans eat a nutritionally balanced diet. Some people eat too much junk food (both vegans and non-vegans) and don't do enough exercise - that's why they are unhealthy. I agree that it is more convenient for us to eat animals products but at what cost to the sentient animals and to the environment? Eating meat has been causally linked to heart disease and cancer. A vegan diet and lifestyle is better for the animals, the environment and humans. Have you watched the videos and read the pages on this thread viewtopic.php?f=13&t=7523 ? If you haven't, please do. Thank you.

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Re: Are you a vegan? If not, why not?

#6 Postby Compassionist » May 17th, 2019, 5:02 pm



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